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	Comments on: Newspaper purchase costs juror over $30k	</title>
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		By: Belac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Belac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ted:  Thanks.  Does civil contempt carry with it a possible $30,000 fine?  I&#039;m just trying to ascertain whether the costs-of-the-trial penalty is a legitimate, and not excessive, penalty.  It seems out of line with other fines.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted:  Thanks.  Does civil contempt carry with it a possible $30,000 fine?  I&#8217;m just trying to ascertain whether the costs-of-the-trial penalty is a legitimate, and not excessive, penalty.  It seems out of line with other fines.</p>
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		By: Ted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tim: I don&#039;t think the defense attorney sandbagged.  He reported what he saw to the judge, the judge questioned the juror, who said she was just buying coffee, and deliberations resumed.  The defense attorney then obtained additional evidence.

Belac: judges have the power to hold people in their courtroom in civil contempt.  Coincidentally, as if to illustrate this point, AP is reporting the tale of a judge who fined a yawning juror $100.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: I don&#8217;t think the defense attorney sandbagged.  He reported what he saw to the judge, the judge questioned the juror, who said she was just buying coffee, and deliberations resumed.  The defense attorney then obtained additional evidence.</p>
<p>Belac: judges have the power to hold people in their courtroom in civil contempt.  Coincidentally, as if to illustrate this point, AP is reporting the tale of a judge who fined a yawning juror $100.</p>
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		By: W. Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[W. Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I believe the late Warren Burger once said &quot;The constitution guarantees everyone a fair trial, it does not guarantee a perfect trial&quot;.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I believe the late Warren Burger once said &#8220;The constitution guarantees everyone a fair trial, it does not guarantee a perfect trial&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Belac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Belac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This may be a foolish question, but what latitude do judges have to decide these things?  Is a $30,000 fine within what may be legally assigned for perjury?  Can a judge assign whatever penalty he wants, and if so within what bounds?  (I was under the impression that there were fairly strict penalty guidelines for this sort of thing).

That said, the juror committed perjury and should recieve the sensible, legal punishment for same.  The judge should have ruled that, since the paper contained nothing that could bias the juror, the verdict should stand.  That&#039;s only common sense.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a foolish question, but what latitude do judges have to decide these things?  Is a $30,000 fine within what may be legally assigned for perjury?  Can a judge assign whatever penalty he wants, and if so within what bounds?  (I was under the impression that there were fairly strict penalty guidelines for this sort of thing).</p>
<p>That said, the juror committed perjury and should recieve the sensible, legal punishment for same.  The judge should have ruled that, since the paper contained nothing that could bias the juror, the verdict should stand.  That&#8217;s only common sense.</p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One point that has not been addressed in your post was when the defense attorney first informed the Court of the transgression.  If the defense counsel witnessed before the verdict, why was it brought out afterward? Was this a strategic decision? As a prosecutor, I have experienced defendant/opposing counsel withholding similar information until after a guilty verdict in order for the defendant to get another shot at a trial.   In any event,  a mistrial is certainly an extreme remedy and if any late reporting occurred, the costs of the first trial be borne, or at least shared by the defense counsel.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point that has not been addressed in your post was when the defense attorney first informed the Court of the transgression.  If the defense counsel witnessed before the verdict, why was it brought out afterward? Was this a strategic decision? As a prosecutor, I have experienced defendant/opposing counsel withholding similar information until after a guilty verdict in order for the defendant to get another shot at a trial.   In any event,  a mistrial is certainly an extreme remedy and if any late reporting occurred, the costs of the first trial be borne, or at least shared by the defense counsel.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If a juror has been proven to have violated his oath and lied in court about it  that fact destroya the integrity of jury system. Anything else would mean there are no standards
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a juror has been proven to have violated his oath and lied in court about it  that fact destroya the integrity of jury system. Anything else would mean there are no standards</p>
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		By: Alden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The judge is completely out of line in this regard.    I understand that as a citizen of this country we have an obligation to jury duty, but judges cannot expect people to isolate themselves from the world during a trial.  An order to refrain from from reading or viewing or listening to anything about the trial would be much more reasonable.  In any case, the only sure way to make sure of this is to sequester a jury.  Any of the other jurors could have and probably did watch the news or read the news online or read a newspaper that was delivered to their residence.  Also, judges have too much power and I believe that a large percentage of them misuse their power.  In my opinion there are a very large number of problems with our legal system that need to be fixed, but I despair at them ever even being looked at.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The judge is completely out of line in this regard.    I understand that as a citizen of this country we have an obligation to jury duty, but judges cannot expect people to isolate themselves from the world during a trial.  An order to refrain from from reading or viewing or listening to anything about the trial would be much more reasonable.  In any case, the only sure way to make sure of this is to sequester a jury.  Any of the other jurors could have and probably did watch the news or read the news online or read a newspaper that was delivered to their residence.  Also, judges have too much power and I believe that a large percentage of them misuse their power.  In my opinion there are a very large number of problems with our legal system that need to be fixed, but I despair at them ever even being looked at.</p>
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		By: htom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[htom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good to see that she&#039;s being made to pay the defense costs. I can understand simply forgetting and buying the paper, but not lying about it afterwards. I might be upset about the mistrial if she&#039;d said &quot;yes, I forgot and bought the papers&quot; and then explained that she had or hadn&#039;t read about the trial.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see that she&#8217;s being made to pay the defense costs. I can understand simply forgetting and buying the paper, but not lying about it afterwards. I might be upset about the mistrial if she&#8217;d said &#8220;yes, I forgot and bought the papers&#8221; and then explained that she had or hadn&#8217;t read about the trial.</p>
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		By: Dustin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dustin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As time goes on it seems that it will be increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to isolate jurors from media information, and only the most conscientious jurors will be able to discipline themselves to avoid any medium where they might be exposed to it.  Granted, this juror seems to have willfully violated instructions, but I think the law will have to evolve to accomodate a world where pagers and cellphones can give as much or more information as a newspaper, otherwise the potential grounds for mistrials simply increase every day.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As time goes on it seems that it will be increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to isolate jurors from media information, and only the most conscientious jurors will be able to discipline themselves to avoid any medium where they might be exposed to it.  Granted, this juror seems to have willfully violated instructions, but I think the law will have to evolve to accomodate a world where pagers and cellphones can give as much or more information as a newspaper, otherwise the potential grounds for mistrials simply increase every day.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Based on my understanding of the reason for including avoidance of media coverage in the court&#039;s instructions to the jury, I would say calling a mistrial is extreme.  Jurors are to avoid media coverage to prevent the appearance of bias.  That&#039;s the most important reason.  Court instructions will reason that a juror can be biased by the media, but jurors already come to the table with opinions, beliefs, and personal experience.  This juror, I&#039;m guessing, committed two wrongs.  First, she broke her oath to follow the court&#039;s instructions.  I&#039;m assumming the oath included an agreement to abide by the court&#039;s instructions.  Second, she lied to the judge regarding the newspaper purchase.  Should she be punished? Yes.  Should the judge have called a mistrial? Probably not.  If he chose not to call a mistrial, would it have saved taxpayers&#039; money?  Maybe that would depend on the appeals process and decisions made by the defense.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my understanding of the reason for including avoidance of media coverage in the court&#8217;s instructions to the jury, I would say calling a mistrial is extreme.  Jurors are to avoid media coverage to prevent the appearance of bias.  That&#8217;s the most important reason.  Court instructions will reason that a juror can be biased by the media, but jurors already come to the table with opinions, beliefs, and personal experience.  This juror, I&#8217;m guessing, committed two wrongs.  First, she broke her oath to follow the court&#8217;s instructions.  I&#8217;m assumming the oath included an agreement to abide by the court&#8217;s instructions.  Second, she lied to the judge regarding the newspaper purchase.  Should she be punished? Yes.  Should the judge have called a mistrial? Probably not.  If he chose not to call a mistrial, would it have saved taxpayers&#8217; money?  Maybe that would depend on the appeals process and decisions made by the defense.</p>
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