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	Comments on: &#8220;Tide turns against rape &#8212; but why?&#8221;	</title>
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		By: dweeb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;This DOJ survey is as good as it gets, is totally private, with no reason to withold a report of a victimization&lt;/i&gt;

What about reasons to falsely report one in the past?  There are no consequences to lying on a survey.
Notice also that all the crimes on the survey are in decline.  It&#039;s been pointed out that violent crime has been declining the past several years partially because of a dip in the population of males age 15 to 25, the demographic most often responsible forcommitting violent crimes.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This DOJ survey is as good as it gets, is totally private, with no reason to withold a report of a victimization</i></p>
<p>What about reasons to falsely report one in the past?  There are no consequences to lying on a survey.<br />
Notice also that all the crimes on the survey are in decline.  It&#8217;s been pointed out that violent crime has been declining the past several years partially because of a dip in the population of males age 15 to 25, the demographic most often responsible forcommitting violent crimes.</p>
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		By: Walter E. Wallis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One part may well be the death of the stupid old &quot;Don&#039;t fight back, it will only make him mad&quot; advice.
My advice is kick, bite, scratch, screa and do everything you can to keep him from taking you somewhere else.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One part may well be the death of the stupid old &#8220;Don&#8217;t fight back, it will only make him mad&#8221; advice.<br />
My advice is kick, bite, scratch, screa and do everything you can to keep him from taking you somewhere else.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[asy explanations that don&#039;t involve porn:

-the &quot;sexual revolution&quot; - why rape a woman when it&#039;s much less difficult to simply have voluntary sex with one?

-longer sentences for those who rape - most crimes are committed by repeat offenders; I see no reason why rape would be different (or rap, which is what I wrote the first time, ha ha)

-societal attitudes: equality, self-defense, reporting rape, general &quot;empowerment&quot; of women, etc.  Women are no longer viewed as &quot;easy prey&quot; (well, not as much), because a noticeable number of them aren&#039;t (concealed carry, for just one example)

-general decline in crime (due in large part to both prosperity and longer sentences for repeat offenders, I think, but having a reason is not necessary to the discussion)

I would also point out that one should be careful of media claims that have a &quot;start time&quot; (&quot;since the 1970s&quot;): the media is notorious for picking &quot;convenient&quot; end points (for example, if the 1970s was the all-time high for rape ever recorded in the history of man, the question should be, &quot;why was it so high then?&quot; not, &quot;why is it lower now?&quot; - not saying that&#039;s the case, just as an example).

Of course, rape statistics in general are (in my experience) extraordinarily hard to compare to each other over time, anyway, as what is measured and how well it&#039;s measured are both under constant change (and are both hard to determine on top of that!).  In short, while I&#039;m not saying we should write the whole thing off (having been close friends with women who have been raped, and having seen the long-term effects on their lives, none of which are good, I certainly think the topic is incredibly important!), I am saying that such comparisons over time are EXTREMELY difficult.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>asy explanations that don&#8217;t involve porn:</p>
<p>-the &#8220;sexual revolution&#8221; &#8211; why rape a woman when it&#8217;s much less difficult to simply have voluntary sex with one?</p>
<p>-longer sentences for those who rape &#8211; most crimes are committed by repeat offenders; I see no reason why rape would be different (or rap, which is what I wrote the first time, ha ha)</p>
<p>-societal attitudes: equality, self-defense, reporting rape, general &#8220;empowerment&#8221; of women, etc.  Women are no longer viewed as &#8220;easy prey&#8221; (well, not as much), because a noticeable number of them aren&#8217;t (concealed carry, for just one example)</p>
<p>-general decline in crime (due in large part to both prosperity and longer sentences for repeat offenders, I think, but having a reason is not necessary to the discussion)</p>
<p>I would also point out that one should be careful of media claims that have a &#8220;start time&#8221; (&#8220;since the 1970s&#8221;): the media is notorious for picking &#8220;convenient&#8221; end points (for example, if the 1970s was the all-time high for rape ever recorded in the history of man, the question should be, &#8220;why was it so high then?&#8221; not, &#8220;why is it lower now?&#8221; &#8211; not saying that&#8217;s the case, just as an example).</p>
<p>Of course, rape statistics in general are (in my experience) extraordinarily hard to compare to each other over time, anyway, as what is measured and how well it&#8217;s measured are both under constant change (and are both hard to determine on top of that!).  In short, while I&#8217;m not saying we should write the whole thing off (having been close friends with women who have been raped, and having seen the long-term effects on their lives, none of which are good, I certainly think the topic is incredibly important!), I am saying that such comparisons over time are EXTREMELY difficult.</p>
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		By: Supremacy Claus		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/07/tide-turns-against-rape-but-why/comment-page-1/#comment-3429</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This DOJ survey is as good as it gets, is totally private, with no reason to withold a report of a victimization.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/viortrdtab.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/viortrdtab.htm&lt;/a&gt;

It makes your point.

From the other direction, than you stated, the rapists are more likely to be in prison, since the use of sentencing guidelines. They are more likely to be on medication on the outside. They are more likely to get aborted  by their impulsive parents.

A good natural experiment is coming, thanks to a lawyer rent-seeking bonehead move, the public safety be damned. That pro-criminal jurist, Scalia, has single-handedly set about to free 100&#039;s of 1000&#039;s of vicious predators, as his Blakely and Booker remands flower into downgraded sentences in the vast majority of cases, and the guidelines have been declared unconstitutional.

Expect the downward trend to reverse in the next decade, as Scalia&#039;s criminals get back to getting busy.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This DOJ survey is as good as it gets, is totally private, with no reason to withold a report of a victimization.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/viortrdtab.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/viortrdtab.htm</a></p>
<p>It makes your point.</p>
<p>From the other direction, than you stated, the rapists are more likely to be in prison, since the use of sentencing guidelines. They are more likely to be on medication on the outside. They are more likely to get aborted  by their impulsive parents.</p>
<p>A good natural experiment is coming, thanks to a lawyer rent-seeking bonehead move, the public safety be damned. That pro-criminal jurist, Scalia, has single-handedly set about to free 100&#8217;s of 1000&#8217;s of vicious predators, as his Blakely and Booker remands flower into downgraded sentences in the vast majority of cases, and the guidelines have been declared unconstitutional.</p>
<p>Expect the downward trend to reverse in the next decade, as Scalia&#8217;s criminals get back to getting busy.</p>
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		By: nevins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Protect the victim&#039;s privacy?  Only to the extent that the alleged purpetrator has their privacy respected.  If someone if found not guilty do they ever return to the same social station after their photo, name, and address are splashed throughout the new system.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protect the victim&#8217;s privacy?  Only to the extent that the alleged purpetrator has their privacy respected.  If someone if found not guilty do they ever return to the same social station after their photo, name, and address are splashed throughout the new system.</p>
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		By: Pat W		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Err, what I stated above would not be MY response, but could be a feminist&#039;s reason for the decline.  I&#039;m an idealist, so I think that the actual numbers have declined because of man&#039;s innate goodness.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err, what I stated above would not be MY response, but could be a feminist&#8217;s reason for the decline.  I&#8217;m an idealist, so I think that the actual numbers have declined because of man&#8217;s innate goodness.</p>
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		By: K G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a feminist, but I would have to side with Pat. My guess would be that reports are down. It seems that it&#039;s not worthwhile to prosecute a rape if you are a victim. The victim gets put on trial and the event is publicized. Perhaps if they protected the privacy of the victim better, more would get reported. I would be happy with protecting the privacy of the victim and the alleged perpetrator unless convicted. There is also the problem of date rape drugs in which the victim may realize they were raped but can&#039;t remember what happened.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a feminist, but I would have to side with Pat. My guess would be that reports are down. It seems that it&#8217;s not worthwhile to prosecute a rape if you are a victim. The victim gets put on trial and the event is publicized. Perhaps if they protected the privacy of the victim better, more would get reported. I would be happy with protecting the privacy of the victim and the alleged perpetrator unless convicted. There is also the problem of date rape drugs in which the victim may realize they were raped but can&#8217;t remember what happened.</p>
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		By: J.T. Wenting		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.T. Wenting]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It could also be that fewer people are willing to believe any accusation of rape as true by definition and therefore the number of false accusations has dropped so significantly that it&#039;s had a measurable effect on the total number of reports.
In fact that could well be the most likely explanation.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could also be that fewer people are willing to believe any accusation of rape as true by definition and therefore the number of false accusations has dropped so significantly that it&#8217;s had a measurable effect on the total number of reports.<br />
In fact that could well be the most likely explanation.</p>
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		By: dweeb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dweeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not even reported rapes; it&#039;s based on a SURVEY, so it may only mean that fewer people are willing to claim they&#039;ve been raped to a pollster.

It could also be that fewer women are saying &#039;no,&#039; which seems a critical element in most definitions of rape.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not even reported rapes; it&#8217;s based on a SURVEY, so it may only mean that fewer people are willing to claim they&#8217;ve been raped to a pollster.</p>
<p>It could also be that fewer women are saying &#8216;no,&#8217; which seems a critical element in most definitions of rape.</p>
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		By: Amy Alkon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy Alkon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Women are being intimidated into not reporting the increasing numbers.&quot;

Who says, Pat? Is that simply your opinion or someone&#039;s opinion, or is it based in something?

I have a number of studies, with good data, that show when availability of porn increases, violent crimes against women decrease.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Women are being intimidated into not reporting the increasing numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who says, Pat? Is that simply your opinion or someone&#8217;s opinion, or is it based in something?</p>
<p>I have a number of studies, with good data, that show when availability of porn increases, violent crimes against women decrease.</p>
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