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		By: dweeb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So no lawsuit can ever be just or have merit.  Toss out the entire system, because some people abuse it.  Thank you for clarifying this position of yours.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So no lawsuit can ever be just or have merit.  Toss out the entire system, because some people abuse it.  Thank you for clarifying this position of yours.</p>
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		By: Supremacy Claus		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/08/on-malpractice-plaintiff-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-13505</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supremacy Claus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Personal remarks are frustration in the traverse.

Every medical error is the fault of the lawyer. These cannot be addressed without the fear of litigation. So, the majority are covered up. Try dealing with the drunken surgeon without betting the hospital, when he sues.

The express goals of torts are in utter failure. The implicit goal of torts is a raging success, lawyer rent seeking. It is a bunko operation in its entirety. Its destructive effect on the economy is massive, knocking off a point off growth that would have been compounded into eternity.




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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal remarks are frustration in the traverse.</p>
<p>Every medical error is the fault of the lawyer. These cannot be addressed without the fear of litigation. So, the majority are covered up. Try dealing with the drunken surgeon without betting the hospital, when he sues.</p>
<p>The express goals of torts are in utter failure. The implicit goal of torts is a raging success, lawyer rent seeking. It is a bunko operation in its entirety. Its destructive effect on the economy is massive, knocking off a point off growth that would have been compounded into eternity.</p>
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		By: dweeb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dweeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If someone is making war on our economy, there is no duty to service the pitiless adversary.&lt;/i&gt;

This assumes all plaintiffs are making such war, which they are not.  Some percentage of consumer lawsuits are justified and have merit, and you propose broadbrushing those plaintiffs, as well.  If someone has filed an action with merit, the good guy service provider has nothing to fear from them.

Dr.: He&#039;s in the database, so I refuse to treat him.

patient&#039;s wife: He&#039;s in the database because another doctor had six martinis before cutting him open, and removed a kidney instead of his appendix. If you&#039;re sober, what are you afraid of?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If someone is making war on our economy, there is no duty to service the pitiless adversary.</i></p>
<p>This assumes all plaintiffs are making such war, which they are not.  Some percentage of consumer lawsuits are justified and have merit, and you propose broadbrushing those plaintiffs, as well.  If someone has filed an action with merit, the good guy service provider has nothing to fear from them.</p>
<p>Dr.: He&#8217;s in the database, so I refuse to treat him.</p>
<p>patient&#8217;s wife: He&#8217;s in the database because another doctor had six martinis before cutting him open, and removed a kidney instead of his appendix. If you&#8217;re sober, what are you afraid of?</p>
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		By: Seth (not a lawyer)		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/08/on-malpractice-plaintiff-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-13503</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seth (not a lawyer)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;making war on our economy&quot;

&quot;pitiless adversary&quot;

&quot;those attacking our American way of life.&quot;

Wow, forget to take your meds today?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;making war on our economy&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;pitiless adversary&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;those attacking our American way of life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, forget to take your meds today?</p>
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		By: Supremacy Claus		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/08/on-malpractice-plaintiff-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-13502</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supremacy Claus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A waiver would be a contract of adhesion and unconscionable, especially on that zero degree day with the boiler cold. Duress voids a contract.

Waivers are against public policy. One cannot sign away the right to make a lawyer rich.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lmnc.org/pdfs/waivers.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lmnc.org/pdfs/waivers.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m sorry. It has to be back to the Stone Age for those attacking our American way of life.

The good guy lawyers have nothing to fear here.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A waiver would be a contract of adhesion and unconscionable, especially on that zero degree day with the boiler cold. Duress voids a contract.</p>
<p>Waivers are against public policy. One cannot sign away the right to make a lawyer rich.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lmnc.org/pdfs/waivers.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.lmnc.org/pdfs/waivers.pdf</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry. It has to be back to the Stone Age for those attacking our American way of life.</p>
<p>The good guy lawyers have nothing to fear here.</p>
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		By: Supremacy Claus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supremacy Claus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whatever the medical ethics, a plaintiff database should be started for all service and product providers.  Plaintiff lawyers, and pro-plaintiff judges are listed.

A plaintiff is at the cash register. The credit card is good. Name is on a plaintiff database. The store declines the purchase, and has him escorted off the premises, banning him.

The same pre-checking is done by a heating service, called when the boiler is broken on a zero degree day. Then, refuse to come out.

If someone is making war on our economy, there is no duty to service the pitiless adversary.

&lt;i&gt;[Kip replies: Or you could just make him sign a waiver.]&lt;/i&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the medical ethics, a plaintiff database should be started for all service and product providers.  Plaintiff lawyers, and pro-plaintiff judges are listed.</p>
<p>A plaintiff is at the cash register. The credit card is good. Name is on a plaintiff database. The store declines the purchase, and has him escorted off the premises, banning him.</p>
<p>The same pre-checking is done by a heating service, called when the boiler is broken on a zero degree day. Then, refuse to come out.</p>
<p>If someone is making war on our economy, there is no duty to service the pitiless adversary.</p>
<p><i>[Kip replies: Or you could just make him sign a waiver.]</i></p>
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		By: nevins		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/08/on-malpractice-plaintiff-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-13500</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me explain my thinking on the null jury finding.

In a civil case the burden of proof is preponderance, i.e. 50.1%.  Thus with an ever so slight favor for the plaintiff goes the full spoils.  Thus if the defendant is 50.1% in the right, he is free of blame.  The scales of justice are not preloaded to tip one way or the other, and whichever way they do tip is the jury&#039;s finding of fact.

In criminal trials the burden of proof has a substantial skew to the scales, with beyond a reasonable doubt as the requirement.  Thus, though the prosecution might fail to meet the reasonable doubt standard, there could be easily a strong appearance of guilt, anywhere from the preponderance (more than likely guilty) all the way up to but not including reasonable doubt (pretty  damn sure of the guilt, just not sure beyond all reasonable doubts).
Thus the finding of not guilty would not equate to innocent because of the unequal burden of proof in criminal trials.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me explain my thinking on the null jury finding.</p>
<p>In a civil case the burden of proof is preponderance, i.e. 50.1%.  Thus with an ever so slight favor for the plaintiff goes the full spoils.  Thus if the defendant is 50.1% in the right, he is free of blame.  The scales of justice are not preloaded to tip one way or the other, and whichever way they do tip is the jury&#8217;s finding of fact.</p>
<p>In criminal trials the burden of proof has a substantial skew to the scales, with beyond a reasonable doubt as the requirement.  Thus, though the prosecution might fail to meet the reasonable doubt standard, there could be easily a strong appearance of guilt, anywhere from the preponderance (more than likely guilty) all the way up to but not including reasonable doubt (pretty  damn sure of the guilt, just not sure beyond all reasonable doubts).<br />
Thus the finding of not guilty would not equate to innocent because of the unequal burden of proof in criminal trials.</p>
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		By: dweeb		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/08/on-malpractice-plaintiff-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-13499</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe the ethical complaint is leveled against physicians who turn away patients needing their services based on the patients&#039; inclusion in the database, and without regard to whether their past lawsuits were justified.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the ethical complaint is leveled against physicians who turn away patients needing their services based on the patients&#8217; inclusion in the database, and without regard to whether their past lawsuits were justified.</p>
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		By: Seth (not a lawyer)		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/08/on-malpractice-plaintiff-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-13498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seth (not a lawyer)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I remember correctly, the author of Litipages.com made the same argument in re the National Practicioner Databank.  But this is a faulty comparison.

The NPD is not a database that the public can search to avoid taking their business to a &quot;bad doctor.&quot;  In fact, much of the information in the NPD - the identity of physicians  in particular - is not available to the public.

The litipages.com database grants no such privilege to patients.  And, of course it wouldn&#039;t.  It&#039;s intended to serve a completely different purpose.

I&#039;m particularly intrigued by this phrase of nevins&#039;s:

&quot;merit invalidated by a jury finding against the plaintiff&quot;

What if we applied that same logic to criminal cases?  Acquittals would represent false arrests and malicious prosecutions?  That hardly seems like a reasonable way of thinking.   But then again, I&#039;m no lawyer.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, the author of Litipages.com made the same argument in re the National Practicioner Databank.  But this is a faulty comparison.</p>
<p>The NPD is not a database that the public can search to avoid taking their business to a &#8220;bad doctor.&#8221;  In fact, much of the information in the NPD &#8211; the identity of physicians  in particular &#8211; is not available to the public.</p>
<p>The litipages.com database grants no such privilege to patients.  And, of course it wouldn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s intended to serve a completely different purpose.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly intrigued by this phrase of nevins&#8217;s:</p>
<p>&#8220;merit invalidated by a jury finding against the plaintiff&#8221;</p>
<p>What if we applied that same logic to criminal cases?  Acquittals would represent false arrests and malicious prosecutions?  That hardly seems like a reasonable way of thinking.   But then again, I&#8217;m no lawyer.</p>
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		By: nevins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only practical question for the database is whether to include all suits filed, or only a subset, such as those with merit invalidated by a jury finding against the plaintiff.  Since only roughly 10% of medical malpractice cases filed ever go on to jury finding that leaves many settled or dropped.

The presumption in the Physician National Practitioner databank is that all cases, jury finding and settlement without finding or admission or wrongdoing even are included in the database.  Since toss-ups are included on the defendant side, it would only be reasonable to include the same toss-ups on the plaintiffs database as well.  After all, if the legal system never rendered judgment for either party, then why should the reporting of the data presume to guess which party to assign blame.  So the only cases not to report in the Patient Databank would be those in which a jury finding went against the defendant.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only practical question for the database is whether to include all suits filed, or only a subset, such as those with merit invalidated by a jury finding against the plaintiff.  Since only roughly 10% of medical malpractice cases filed ever go on to jury finding that leaves many settled or dropped.</p>
<p>The presumption in the Physician National Practitioner databank is that all cases, jury finding and settlement without finding or admission or wrongdoing even are included in the database.  Since toss-ups are included on the defendant side, it would only be reasonable to include the same toss-ups on the plaintiffs database as well.  After all, if the legal system never rendered judgment for either party, then why should the reporting of the data presume to guess which party to assign blame.  So the only cases not to report in the Patient Databank would be those in which a jury finding went against the defendant.</p>
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