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		By: David Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Boaz in the Examiner column is unpersuasive. I personally don&#039;t like the idea of making constitutions into the equivalent of alley walls for the spray-paint tags of partisan causes (I&#039;m generally against abortion but I don&#039;t favor a federal constitutional amendment for the same reason). And I&#039;d agree that the proposed amendment is just another chance for pols to posture.

But the language of the amendment doesn&#039;t mention private parties, only government. Boaz seems to suggest that private parties would be affected, and I don&#039;t see that. None of the scenarios seem likely - I find it hard to believe that a domestic assault wouldn&#039;t be prosecuted because of this amendment. I also doubt that Arnold &amp; Porter, a decidedly liberal/pro-Democrat firm, really undertook such an unbiased and lawyerly analysis (and who, exactly, solicited this &quot;analysis?&quot;)

I think that if we&#039;re seeking to curb litigation, gay marriage is the wrong way to go. In fact, the whole project to me seems to open the door to a flood of litigation that will erode both private freedoms and traditional values.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boaz in the Examiner column is unpersuasive. I personally don&#8217;t like the idea of making constitutions into the equivalent of alley walls for the spray-paint tags of partisan causes (I&#8217;m generally against abortion but I don&#8217;t favor a federal constitutional amendment for the same reason). And I&#8217;d agree that the proposed amendment is just another chance for pols to posture.</p>
<p>But the language of the amendment doesn&#8217;t mention private parties, only government. Boaz seems to suggest that private parties would be affected, and I don&#8217;t see that. None of the scenarios seem likely &#8211; I find it hard to believe that a domestic assault wouldn&#8217;t be prosecuted because of this amendment. I also doubt that Arnold &#038; Porter, a decidedly liberal/pro-Democrat firm, really undertook such an unbiased and lawyerly analysis (and who, exactly, solicited this &#8220;analysis?&#8221;)</p>
<p>I think that if we&#8217;re seeking to curb litigation, gay marriage is the wrong way to go. In fact, the whole project to me seems to open the door to a flood of litigation that will erode both private freedoms and traditional values.</p>
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		By: markm		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deoxy, I&#039;d agree, but although I&#039;m not familiar with the proposed VA amendment, I haven&#039;t seen any that were that simple, or that left the question to the legislature. Every one I&#039;ve seen was written to tie the hands of future legislatures when the political balance shifts.

Of course, so was the 1st Amendment, but I see a fundamental difference between protecting the rights of a minority against a majority, and an attempt to permanently place an extra burden on a minority even if a majority of the people later approve of lifting it. (This is assuming the state in question isn&#039;t one of those where the distinction between constitutional and legislative law has been blurred by hundreds of trivial amendments. The worst cases I&#039;ve seen are states with an easy process for amendment by initiative but no way to get a direct vote of the people without proposing an amendment.)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deoxy, I&#8217;d agree, but although I&#8217;m not familiar with the proposed VA amendment, I haven&#8217;t seen any that were that simple, or that left the question to the legislature. Every one I&#8217;ve seen was written to tie the hands of future legislatures when the political balance shifts.</p>
<p>Of course, so was the 1st Amendment, but I see a fundamental difference between protecting the rights of a minority against a majority, and an attempt to permanently place an extra burden on a minority even if a majority of the people later approve of lifting it. (This is assuming the state in question isn&#8217;t one of those where the distinction between constitutional and legislative law has been blurred by hundreds of trivial amendments. The worst cases I&#8217;ve seen are states with an easy process for amendment by initiative but no way to get a direct vote of the people without proposing an amendment.)</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The judiciary has already invited itself to do so.  REPEATEDLY.

I&#039;m not saying that the amendment in question is a well-worded or should be passed, but it&#039;s fairly disingenious to say that the judiciary won&#039;t gt involved if w just leave well enough alone.... THEY aree the ones who INSTIGATED this problem!

(That said, I think the best amendment is a simple one: &quot;Nothing in this Constitution means or can be construed to mean that same sex couples either have the right to marry or the right to a marital arrangement by a different name.&quot;  Simple, and leaves the question to the legislature, where it belonged to begin with.)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The judiciary has already invited itself to do so.  REPEATEDLY.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the amendment in question is a well-worded or should be passed, but it&#8217;s fairly disingenious to say that the judiciary won&#8217;t gt involved if w just leave well enough alone&#8230;. THEY aree the ones who INSTIGATED this problem!</p>
<p>(That said, I think the best amendment is a simple one: &#8220;Nothing in this Constitution means or can be construed to mean that same sex couples either have the right to marry or the right to a marital arrangement by a different name.&#8221;  Simple, and leaves the question to the legislature, where it belonged to begin with.)</p>
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