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	Comments on: Title IX and cheerleading	</title>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5473</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Equal opportunity is very different from equal participation.&quot;

Quoted For Truth.

pilight,

if you can&#039;t see how that penalizes men simply for having different interests than women, then you are beyond the point of reasonable discussion.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Equal opportunity is very different from equal participation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quoted For Truth.</p>
<p>pilight,</p>
<p>if you can&#8217;t see how that penalizes men simply for having different interests than women, then you are beyond the point of reasonable discussion.</p>
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		By: MF		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5472</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The ultimate question is whether or not intercolegiate athletics have educational value. If so, women should have as much opportunity to participate as men. If not, universities shouldn&#039;t be involved with it.&lt;/i&gt;

One of the major problems is that it&#039;s not the &lt;i&gt;opportunity&lt;/i&gt; that isn&#039;t there for women.  It&#039;s that TitleIX apparently &lt;i&gt;requires&lt;/i&gt; equal participation.  The pools from which to pull participants for men&#039;s and women&#039;s programs are vastly different.  It&#039;s a fact that a far higher percentage of men are interested in playing sports than women are.  That&#039;s where the law is so unfair.  Equal opportunity is very different from equal participation.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The ultimate question is whether or not intercolegiate athletics have educational value. If so, women should have as much opportunity to participate as men. If not, universities shouldn&#8217;t be involved with it.</i></p>
<p>One of the major problems is that it&#8217;s not the <i>opportunity</i> that isn&#8217;t there for women.  It&#8217;s that TitleIX apparently <i>requires</i> equal participation.  The pools from which to pull participants for men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s programs are vastly different.  It&#8217;s a fact that a far higher percentage of men are interested in playing sports than women are.  That&#8217;s where the law is so unfair.  Equal opportunity is very different from equal participation.</p>
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		By: pilight		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5471</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pilight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Brown case was ultimately settled, no admission of guilt of course.

I&#039;m not nearly self-lothing enough to have a problem with men.  Several folks here seem to have problems with women, however.

The ultimate question is whether or not intercolegiate athletics have educational value.  If so, women should have as much opportunity to participate as men.  If not, universities shouldn&#039;t be involved with it.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brown case was ultimately settled, no admission of guilt of course.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not nearly self-lothing enough to have a problem with men.  Several folks here seem to have problems with women, however.</p>
<p>The ultimate question is whether or not intercolegiate athletics have educational value.  If so, women should have as much opportunity to participate as men.  If not, universities shouldn&#8217;t be involved with it.</p>
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		By: David Nieporent		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5470</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Title IX litigation? Has any university ever actually lost a Title IX case?&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;ve done &quot;tons of research&quot; and you don&#039;t know about the Brown case?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Title IX litigation? Has any university ever actually lost a Title IX case?</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve done &#8220;tons of research&#8221; and you don&#8217;t know about the Brown case?</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5469</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Colin,

That&#039;s called &quot;the NFL&quot;.  But I agree - &quot;Let colleges educate&quot;!  STOP TRYING TO CONTROL THEM.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s called &#8220;the NFL&#8221;.  But I agree &#8211; &#8220;Let colleges educate&#8221;!  STOP TRYING TO CONTROL THEM.</p>
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		By: Colin P. Varga		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5468</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin P. Varga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If colleges MAKE money on football then pull the football program away from the school and let the free market work.  Let colleges educate.  The loss of a football program will not bring an end to higher learning.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If colleges MAKE money on football then pull the football program away from the school and let the free market work.  Let colleges educate.  The loss of a football program will not bring an end to higher learning.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I&#039;ve done tons of research on Title IX, Deoxy.&quot;

BS, or you wouldn&#039;t be saying what you said.

&quot;Yours apparently stopped at &quot;The man in charge said Title IX was to to blame so it must be true&quot;.&quot;

Since I don&#039;t get most of my information from &quot;the man in charge&quot;, that couldn&#039;t possibly be true.  It sounds (from both of your posts) like you have a problm with men, though I admit that&#039;s a bit much to get from two posts.

And the answer to your last question is &quot;Yes.&quot;

&quot;I think the main issue is Football which is the most expensive program most colleges have&quot;

Many schools MAKE money on football.

Got any more ridiculous claims?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve done tons of research on Title IX, Deoxy.&#8221;</p>
<p>BS, or you wouldn&#8217;t be saying what you said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yours apparently stopped at &#8220;The man in charge said Title IX was to to blame so it must be true&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since I don&#8217;t get most of my information from &#8220;the man in charge&#8221;, that couldn&#8217;t possibly be true.  It sounds (from both of your posts) like you have a problm with men, though I admit that&#8217;s a bit much to get from two posts.</p>
<p>And the answer to your last question is &#8220;Yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I think the main issue is Football which is the most expensive program most colleges have&#8221;</p>
<p>Many schools MAKE money on football.</p>
<p>Got any more ridiculous claims?</p>
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		By: E-Bell		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E-Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Title IX litigation? Has any university ever actually lost a Title IX case?&lt;/i&gt;

I believe L.S.U. lost a Title IX case that went to trial in the 1990s, but I don&#039;t remember the details.

But I didn&#039;t say litigation - I said the &lt;i&gt;threat&lt;/i&gt; of litigation.  How many Title IX suits are brought?  Threatened?  Settled?  Avoided by eliminating men&#039;s programs?

The easiest (and least expensive) way for a school to comply with Title IX is through the elimination of men&#039;s opportunities.

This is especially easy when &quot;opportunity&quot; is not defined as the number of positions available for women, but rather the number of positions actually filled by women.  The &quot;proportionality test&quot; has become the only means by which compliance is measured - and it&#039;s fundamentally flawed.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Title IX litigation? Has any university ever actually lost a Title IX case?</i></p>
<p>I believe L.S.U. lost a Title IX case that went to trial in the 1990s, but I don&#8217;t remember the details.</p>
<p>But I didn&#8217;t say litigation &#8211; I said the <i>threat</i> of litigation.  How many Title IX suits are brought?  Threatened?  Settled?  Avoided by eliminating men&#8217;s programs?</p>
<p>The easiest (and least expensive) way for a school to comply with Title IX is through the elimination of men&#8217;s opportunities.</p>
<p>This is especially easy when &#8220;opportunity&#8221; is not defined as the number of positions available for women, but rather the number of positions actually filled by women.  The &#8220;proportionality test&#8221; has become the only means by which compliance is measured &#8211; and it&#8217;s fundamentally flawed.</p>
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		By: pilight		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/01/title-ix-and-cheerleading/comment-page-1/#comment-5465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pilight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;v done tons of research on Title IX, Deoxy.  Yours apparently stopped at &quot;The man in charge said Title IX was to to blame so it must be true&quot;.

As for outraged alumni and athletes, how long do you think they&#039;ll keep funding a program?  A year?  Three?  They&#039;ll be expecting the school to take back over before you know it and you&#039;ll be right back where you started.

Title IX litigation?  Has any university ever actually lost a Title IX case?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;v done tons of research on Title IX, Deoxy.  Yours apparently stopped at &#8220;The man in charge said Title IX was to to blame so it must be true&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for outraged alumni and athletes, how long do you think they&#8217;ll keep funding a program?  A year?  Three?  They&#8217;ll be expecting the school to take back over before you know it and you&#8217;ll be right back where you started.</p>
<p>Title IX litigation?  Has any university ever actually lost a Title IX case?</p>
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		By: Colin P. Varga		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin P. Varga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe that TitleIX has much actual effect on sports in colleges, but it has an effect on sports programs.  I think the main issue is Football which is the most expensive program most colleges have, and basicly a men&#039;s game.  With or without TitleIX more men would be playing sports if football programs were shrunk are cut.  TitleIX is not the enemy of men&#039;s sports, the love of money is.  Bring on the cheerleaders!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that TitleIX has much actual effect on sports in colleges, but it has an effect on sports programs.  I think the main issue is Football which is the most expensive program most colleges have, and basicly a men&#8217;s game.  With or without TitleIX more men would be playing sports if football programs were shrunk are cut.  TitleIX is not the enemy of men&#8217;s sports, the love of money is.  Bring on the cheerleaders!</p>
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