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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/02/marcottes-regrets/comment-page-1/#comment-5799</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WM,

No, it wasn&#039;t, not it wasn&#039;t, and no, it isn&#039;t.

1.  &quot;Predictable&quot;.  Actually, the most common predictions were &quot;cakewalk&quot; and &quot;humanitarian crisis&quot;.  It has been neither.

2.  &quot;Predicted&quot;.  See #1, above.  The most common prediction from those opposed would be ethat we would kill tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians, etc, etc.  If you actually look at the most common predictions, you&#039;ll see that they have very little relation to how things actually turned out.  (Yes, there were some that were correct... but there ar ALWAYS a few that are correct about almost anything.  Someone somewhere happening to get one right does not make it &quot;predicted&quot;.)

3.  I still view this war as moral.  A great many people I know still view this war as moral.  Poorly executed does not make it immoral.

And I don&#039;t believe the situation is remotely &quot;dire&quot;; I believe the situation is primarily &quot;stupid&quot; - that is, we aren&#039;t fighting our primary opponent (Iran) in this at all.  They supply men and equipment to the battle, yet we don&#039;t retaliate.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WM,</p>
<p>No, it wasn&#8217;t, not it wasn&#8217;t, and no, it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>1.  &#8220;Predictable&#8221;.  Actually, the most common predictions were &#8220;cakewalk&#8221; and &#8220;humanitarian crisis&#8221;.  It has been neither.</p>
<p>2.  &#8220;Predicted&#8221;.  See #1, above.  The most common prediction from those opposed would be ethat we would kill tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians, etc, etc.  If you actually look at the most common predictions, you&#8217;ll see that they have very little relation to how things actually turned out.  (Yes, there were some that were correct&#8230; but there ar ALWAYS a few that are correct about almost anything.  Someone somewhere happening to get one right does not make it &#8220;predicted&#8221;.)</p>
<p>3.  I still view this war as moral.  A great many people I know still view this war as moral.  Poorly executed does not make it immoral.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t believe the situation is remotely &#8220;dire&#8221;; I believe the situation is primarily &#8220;stupid&#8221; &#8211; that is, we aren&#8217;t fighting our primary opponent (Iran) in this at all.  They supply men and equipment to the battle, yet we don&#8217;t retaliate.</p>
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		By: Jim Treacher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, Jim, &quot;North America&quot; and &quot;South America&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whew, I&#039;m glad somebody got the joke!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, Jim, &#8220;North America&#8221; and &#8220;South America&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whew, I&#8217;m glad somebody got the joke!</p>
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		By: jb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clearly my comment doesn&#039;t apply to this particular case.  Amy Alkon&#039;s remedy, however, would be especially problematic for the reasons I list in many cases.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly my comment doesn&#8217;t apply to this particular case.  Amy Alkon&#8217;s remedy, however, would be especially problematic for the reasons I list in many cases.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deoxy,

Senator Webb said that the results of our attack on Iraq were both predictable and predicted. That makes the war immoral by your standard, as you are upset by the dire situation we now have.

I believe that George W. Bush just wanted to murder people. War was adventure to him.

jb,

Was the sexual act consensual is the issue in many rape cases, such as the Mike Tyson case. The DNA evidence says there was no act in the Duke case, and Ms. Marcotte&#039;s continuing fantasies with or without F words are truely disgusting.






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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deoxy,</p>
<p>Senator Webb said that the results of our attack on Iraq were both predictable and predicted. That makes the war immoral by your standard, as you are upset by the dire situation we now have.</p>
<p>I believe that George W. Bush just wanted to murder people. War was adventure to him.</p>
<p>jb,</p>
<p>Was the sexual act consensual is the issue in many rape cases, such as the Mike Tyson case. The DNA evidence says there was no act in the Duke case, and Ms. Marcotte&#8217;s continuing fantasies with or without F words are truely disgusting.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Jim, &quot;North America&quot; and &quot;South America&quot;.  No other meaning for that statement is useful, and that meaning is beyond silly in the context he used it.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Jim, &#8220;North America&#8221; and &#8220;South America&#8221;.  No other meaning for that statement is useful, and that meaning is beyond silly in the context he used it.</p>
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		By: Jim Treacher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No matter what you think of Marcotte, this whole thing proves Edwards right: There really &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; two Americas!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what you think of Marcotte, this whole thing proves Edwards right: There really <em>are</em> two Americas!</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/02/marcottes-regrets/comment-page-1/#comment-5793</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, I agree (wholeheartedly) with Amy Alkon... I thought there was a law against that.

And jb makes a very good point as well.

WM - it so happens that many people STILL think the war in Iraq was moral (and in fact, by most people&#039;s morality, it was and is).  Disappointment and anger at poor prosecution doesn&#039;t mean the thing being prosecuted is wrong.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I agree (wholeheartedly) with Amy Alkon&#8230; I thought there was a law against that.</p>
<p>And jb makes a very good point as well.</p>
<p>WM &#8211; it so happens that many people STILL think the war in Iraq was moral (and in fact, by most people&#8217;s morality, it was and is).  Disappointment and anger at poor prosecution doesn&#8217;t mean the thing being prosecuted is wrong.</p>
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		By: TC		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/02/marcottes-regrets/comment-page-1/#comment-5792</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Iowahawk: The Pandagon Papers

The indomitable Iowahawk has somehow gained access to the delete buffer of an email account owned by someone you may recognize by her ... ahem ... boisterous language: The Pandagon Papers.

To: Senator John Edwards
From: Amanda Marcotte
Re: Job Offer

Dear Senator Edwards:

I am f****** delighted to accept your offer of the position of Official Blogger for the Edwards 2008 presidential campaign. Please find attached my f****** W-2 form.

I would like to express my heartfelt thanks for this totally f****** awesome opportunity to help you take America back from f****** BushCo and the other f******* bible-humping extremists that have turned this once great nation into a g*ddamn rape factory for their snakehandling Jesus Camp hatebots.

In closing, I am so f****** proud to be a part of this campaign, and f****** gratified to know that I’ll be working for someone who f****** understands the importance of reaching out to progressive bloggers like myself. I look forward to contributing in any way I f****** can. You won’t be f****** sorry!

F****** Sincerely,
Amanda Marcotte, “Pandagon”

*******

Stolen/ err shared from here.. :)
&lt;a href=&quot;http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/&lt;/a&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iowahawk: The Pandagon Papers</p>
<p>The indomitable Iowahawk has somehow gained access to the delete buffer of an email account owned by someone you may recognize by her &#8230; ahem &#8230; boisterous language: The Pandagon Papers.</p>
<p>To: Senator John Edwards<br />
From: Amanda Marcotte<br />
Re: Job Offer</p>
<p>Dear Senator Edwards:</p>
<p>I am f****** delighted to accept your offer of the position of Official Blogger for the Edwards 2008 presidential campaign. Please find attached my f****** W-2 form.</p>
<p>I would like to express my heartfelt thanks for this totally f****** awesome opportunity to help you take America back from f****** BushCo and the other f******* bible-humping extremists that have turned this once great nation into a g*ddamn rape factory for their snakehandling Jesus Camp hatebots.</p>
<p>In closing, I am so f****** proud to be a part of this campaign, and f****** gratified to know that I’ll be working for someone who f****** understands the importance of reaching out to progressive bloggers like myself. I look forward to contributing in any way I f****** can. You won’t be f****** sorry!</p>
<p>F****** Sincerely,<br />
Amanda Marcotte, “Pandagon”</p>
<p>*******</p>
<p>Stolen/ err shared from here.. 🙂<br />
<a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/" rel="nofollow">http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/</a></p>
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		By: TC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://z9.invisionfree.com/LieStoppers_Board/index.php?s=9cadc76fee153914633c7a39792cf90e&amp;showtopic=2029&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://z9.invisionfree.com/LieStoppers_Board/index.php?s=9cadc76fee153914633c7a39792cf90e&amp;showtopic=2029&lt;/a&gt;

Apparently both have been fired as of today.

Which os course could be both good and bad, good as neither will have the grand band stand or the paycheck, bad because we will have to sort out another major flaw to pick at Edwards with.


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<p>Apparently both have been fired as of today.</p>
<p>Which os course could be both good and bad, good as neither will have the grand band stand or the paycheck, bad because we will have to sort out another major flaw to pick at Edwards with.</p>
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		By: jb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rape is inherently more problematic to prove than other forms of assault.  Very few people will voluntarily let themselves be stabbed or beaten, but nearly every woman will at some point voluntarily have sex.  So to prove assault, one just has to show one&#039;s injuries/hospital report, but to prove rape one may have to prove a negative--that one did not consent.

Furthermore, rape can be more traumatic than other forms of assault, increasing the likelihood that the survivor is incoherent.

Of course, none of this applies to the Duke case, but it does show why rape is such a problematic crime to prosecute.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rape is inherently more problematic to prove than other forms of assault.  Very few people will voluntarily let themselves be stabbed or beaten, but nearly every woman will at some point voluntarily have sex.  So to prove assault, one just has to show one&#8217;s injuries/hospital report, but to prove rape one may have to prove a negative&#8211;that one did not consent.</p>
<p>Furthermore, rape can be more traumatic than other forms of assault, increasing the likelihood that the survivor is incoherent.</p>
<p>Of course, none of this applies to the Duke case, but it does show why rape is such a problematic crime to prosecute.</p>
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