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		By: Box Turtle Bulletin &#187; Colson, George Awarded Presidential Citizenship Medal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Box Turtle Bulletin &#187; Colson, George Awarded Presidential Citizenship Medal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] on behalf of Lisa Miller, of the Miller-Jenkins custody dispute. Miller, who is essentially violating the Parental Kidnapping Prevention Actby refusing to adhere to the custody agreement worked out between herself and her former partner, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] on behalf of Lisa Miller, of the Miller-Jenkins custody dispute. Miller, who is essentially violating the Parental Kidnapping Prevention Actby refusing to adhere to the custody agreement worked out between herself and her former partner, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Update: Chuck Colson and Miller-Jenkins case		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Winchester (Va.) Star, Dec. 12) (via Box Turtle Bulletin). One of the Miller camp&#8217;s most vocal and misleading public advocates has been evangelist Chuck Colson, who just was awarded a Presidential Citizenship Medal; I discuss [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Winchester (Va.) Star, Dec. 12) (via Box Turtle Bulletin). One of the Miller camp&#8217;s most vocal and misleading public advocates has been evangelist Chuck Colson, who just was awarded a Presidential Citizenship Medal; I discuss [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Secular Right &#187; Presidential medal for Charles Colson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] litigation, as in a case I&#8217;ve written about at my main site, in which Colson&#8217;s been a leading promoter of prolonged and meritless litigation in a custody case for the purpose of making anti-gay points. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] litigation, as in a case I&#8217;ve written about at my main site, in which Colson&#8217;s been a leading promoter of prolonged and meritless litigation in a custody case for the purpose of making anti-gay points. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that antinomian (&quot;against law&quot;) is most often used to signify a refusal to be bound by moral or religious laws. However, many definitions of the term go farther than that, like those &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/A0343900.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt; (American Heritage Dictionary: claim of dispensation from &quot;any law, whether scriptural, civil, or moral,&quot;) and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.answers.com/topic/antinomianism-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (WordNet: assertion of freedom from &quot;all&quot; laws).

As several sources point out, &lt;i&gt;antinomian&lt;/i&gt; is mostly an epithet directed at opponents, who on closer inspection are usually not claiming any across-the-board right not to obey laws. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reason.com/news/show/30727.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Some years ago in Reason&lt;/a&gt; I noted that certain writers in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=QUc&amp;q=%22first+things%22+antinomian+culture&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;religious-conservative&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a&gt;neocon&lt;/a&gt; circles -- the sort of circles where Colson&#039;s name has much currency -- were tending to adopt the word as a catch-all description of the modern world&#039;s disrespect for established authority.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that antinomian (&#8220;against law&#8221;) is most often used to signify a refusal to be bound by moral or religious laws. However, many definitions of the term go farther than that, like those <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/A0343900.html" rel="nofollow">here </a> (American Heritage Dictionary: claim of dispensation from &#8220;any law, whether scriptural, civil, or moral,&#8221;) and <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/antinomianism-1" rel="nofollow">here</a> (WordNet: assertion of freedom from &#8220;all&#8221; laws).</p>
<p>As several sources point out, <i>antinomian</i> is mostly an epithet directed at opponents, who on closer inspection are usually not claiming any across-the-board right not to obey laws. <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/30727.html" rel="nofollow">Some years ago in Reason</a> I noted that certain writers in <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe=off&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&#038;hs=QUc&#038;q=%22first+things%22+antinomian+culture&#038;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">religious-conservative</a> and <a>neocon</a> circles &#8212; the sort of circles where Colson&#8217;s name has much currency &#8212; were tending to adopt the word as a catch-all description of the modern world&#8217;s disrespect for established authority.</p>
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		By: Bob Montgomery		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/03/chuck-colson-on-miller-jenkins/comment-page-1/#comment-6166</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Montgomery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;the proposition that it&#039;s just fine to violate laws and court orders when one feels impelled by a higher cause -- I believe some social conservatives like to label this point of view as &lt;i&gt;antinomian&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That isn&#039;t what antinomian means (and I&#039;ve never heard that belief labelled such).
&lt;a href=&quot;http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/antinomian&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;antinomian&lt;/a&gt;: one who holds that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation

For most social conservatives, or at least for most Christians, the law referred to in that definition would be the Mosaic, Old Testament law, not 21st century US law.

The belief that non-biblical laws should be disregarded when they conflict with what God requires doesn&#039;t have a fancy name that I&#039;m aware of, though it is certainly a biblical concept:
Acts 5:29 &quot;But Peter and the apostles answered, &#039;We must obey God rather than men.&#039;&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the proposition that it&#8217;s just fine to violate laws and court orders when one feels impelled by a higher cause &#8212; I believe some social conservatives like to label this point of view as <i>antinomian</i></p></blockquote>
<p>That isn&#8217;t what antinomian means (and I&#8217;ve never heard that belief labelled such).<br />
<a href="http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/antinomian" rel="nofollow">antinomian</a>: one who holds that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation</p>
<p>For most social conservatives, or at least for most Christians, the law referred to in that definition would be the Mosaic, Old Testament law, not 21st century US law.</p>
<p>The belief that non-biblical laws should be disregarded when they conflict with what God requires doesn&#8217;t have a fancy name that I&#8217;m aware of, though it is certainly a biblical concept:<br />
Acts 5:29 &#8220;But Peter and the apostles answered, &#8216;We must obey God rather than men.'&#8221;</p>
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		By: Repusyort		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Repusyort]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike-

It&#039;s civil disobedience if it conforms roughly with the standards set forth in &quot;Letter from Birmingham Jail&quot;. Like openly acknowledging violating the law and submitting oneself to whatever punishment may be meted out, however unjust.

I don&#039;t see those contours here.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike-</p>
<p>It&#8217;s civil disobedience if it conforms roughly with the standards set forth in &#8220;Letter from Birmingham Jail&#8221;. Like openly acknowledging violating the law and submitting oneself to whatever punishment may be meted out, however unjust.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see those contours here.</p>
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		By: Ratel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ratel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In spite of the apparent similarities between the situations regarding “civil disobedience”, it is morally repugnant to compare the struggle against laws meant to oppress and disadvantage an entire class of people just because of the color of their skin and an individual selfishly seeking to deny visitation rights.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In spite of the apparent similarities between the situations regarding “civil disobedience”, it is morally repugnant to compare the struggle against laws meant to oppress and disadvantage an entire class of people just because of the color of their skin and an individual selfishly seeking to deny visitation rights.</p>
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		By: Mike Perry		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/03/chuck-colson-on-miller-jenkins/comment-page-1/#comment-6163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I also wonder whether the proposition that it&#039;s just fine to violate laws and court orders when one feels impelled by a higher cause....&quot;

Yes, they call that civil disobedience. It was quite popular back in the early 1960s. There was a lot of chatter about higher causes, and more than a few preachers involved. When civil disobedience is happening, it&#039;s typically criticized. Years later, almost everyone pretends they were a supporter and never had a problem with the law breaking.

Note that I&#039;m not commenting on this particular case, since I know nothing about it, just the rather inflexible suggestion that &quot;laws and court orders&quot; ought always to be obeyed. I find that a bit shallow and its use in an issue of this importance a cheap trick.

There&#039;s also the term &quot;Religious Right&quot; in what can only be called &#039;scare capitals.&#039; In English, capitalization in that context is only used of things that are sharply defined: Ford Motor Company and the United Auto Workers, but not auto makers or auto workers.

A group that encompasses Jews (Orthodox to Conservative), Protestants (Pentecostals to Episcopalians), the Eastern Orthodox (Russian and Greek), as well as Mormons (one wife or several), is far more like auto workers than it is the United Auto Workers.

The proper term is religious conservatives in small letters.

--Michael W. Perry, editor of Chesteron on War: Militarism, Pacifism, Racism and the German Heresy (soon out)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I also wonder whether the proposition that it&#8217;s just fine to violate laws and court orders when one feels impelled by a higher cause&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, they call that civil disobedience. It was quite popular back in the early 1960s. There was a lot of chatter about higher causes, and more than a few preachers involved. When civil disobedience is happening, it&#8217;s typically criticized. Years later, almost everyone pretends they were a supporter and never had a problem with the law breaking.</p>
<p>Note that I&#8217;m not commenting on this particular case, since I know nothing about it, just the rather inflexible suggestion that &#8220;laws and court orders&#8221; ought always to be obeyed. I find that a bit shallow and its use in an issue of this importance a cheap trick.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the term &#8220;Religious Right&#8221; in what can only be called &#8216;scare capitals.&#8217; In English, capitalization in that context is only used of things that are sharply defined: Ford Motor Company and the United Auto Workers, but not auto makers or auto workers.</p>
<p>A group that encompasses Jews (Orthodox to Conservative), Protestants (Pentecostals to Episcopalians), the Eastern Orthodox (Russian and Greek), as well as Mormons (one wife or several), is far more like auto workers than it is the United Auto Workers.</p>
<p>The proper term is religious conservatives in small letters.</p>
<p>&#8211;Michael W. Perry, editor of Chesteron on War: Militarism, Pacifism, Racism and the German Heresy (soon out)</p>
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		By: gkb2004		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[since when does the law have anything to do with &quot;natural law&quot;?  Laws were created by men pretending to be gods!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since when does the law have anything to do with &#8220;natural law&#8221;?  Laws were created by men pretending to be gods!</p>
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		By: wavemaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wavemaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walter, I&#039;m not convinced that Colson deliberately ignores the legal aspects of the case that you point out -- his point is simply &quot;how far we&#039;ve sunk&quot; when the culture has resulted in the invention of legal relationships that are foreign to natural law. But I don&#039;t read his piece as a call for her to continue to break the law.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, I&#8217;m not convinced that Colson deliberately ignores the legal aspects of the case that you point out &#8212; his point is simply &#8220;how far we&#8217;ve sunk&#8221; when the culture has resulted in the invention of legal relationships that are foreign to natural law. But I don&#8217;t read his piece as a call for her to continue to break the law.</p>
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