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	Comments on: &#8220;Litigation is coercive&#8221;	</title>
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		By: Mike Perry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This fits with my belief that most of the threats lawyers make directed against non-lawyers ought to be illegal and subject to very heavy civil penalities. By that I mean that one nasty little letter could cost in the range of $100,000, and a repeat $1,000,000.

First, because it&#039;s giving unwanted legal advice without a lawyer-client relationship. Going the other way, lawyers say &quot;pay me if you want to talk.&quot; How revealing that in this case they&#039;re so eager to give so much legal advice without a penny paid them. (The link: greed.)

Second, because much of that advice is bad when it&#039;s not out-right wrong. That&#039;s the key to paying damages. A cease and desist letter with one statement that&#039;s not 100% accurate means a large damage settlement. No lawyer should be permitted to give bad legal advice to anyone but his own client, particularly not to enrich himself.

Third, because being a lawyer doesn&#039;t mean that extortion (as in this bizarre case) isn&#039;t extortion. Crime is crime. This husband lawyer is as guilty as his wife.

After all, we don&#039;t allow a physician to prowl shopping centers, harassing parents and threatening them with legal action for child abuse if they don&#039;t give him money for a surgery he claims is necessary. What&#039;s the difference? Both involve a profession making legal threats against uninformed citizens to enrich themselves.

Although I have to admit, in the IP lawsuit in which I was involved, it was handy to have that 7-page cease and desist letter giving what were essentially all their intended arguments. Once I knew I could handle those, I knew I was safe. But I&#039;m an exception. Like rattlesnakes in my childhood, lawyers simply don&#039;t scare me. That&#039;s not true of most people, and the law should protect them first and foremost. I&#039;d be quite happy to sign an &quot;abuse me like I was my lawyer&quot; waver. For everyone else, a lawyer should be required to &quot;talk nice&quot; until an opposing lawyer enters the picture, one who knows a bluff and a lie when he sees it.

--Mike Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle
Author of the quite legal &lt;i&gt;Untangling Tolkien&lt;/i&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This fits with my belief that most of the threats lawyers make directed against non-lawyers ought to be illegal and subject to very heavy civil penalities. By that I mean that one nasty little letter could cost in the range of $100,000, and a repeat $1,000,000.</p>
<p>First, because it&#8217;s giving unwanted legal advice without a lawyer-client relationship. Going the other way, lawyers say &#8220;pay me if you want to talk.&#8221; How revealing that in this case they&#8217;re so eager to give so much legal advice without a penny paid them. (The link: greed.)</p>
<p>Second, because much of that advice is bad when it&#8217;s not out-right wrong. That&#8217;s the key to paying damages. A cease and desist letter with one statement that&#8217;s not 100% accurate means a large damage settlement. No lawyer should be permitted to give bad legal advice to anyone but his own client, particularly not to enrich himself.</p>
<p>Third, because being a lawyer doesn&#8217;t mean that extortion (as in this bizarre case) isn&#8217;t extortion. Crime is crime. This husband lawyer is as guilty as his wife.</p>
<p>After all, we don&#8217;t allow a physician to prowl shopping centers, harassing parents and threatening them with legal action for child abuse if they don&#8217;t give him money for a surgery he claims is necessary. What&#8217;s the difference? Both involve a profession making legal threats against uninformed citizens to enrich themselves.</p>
<p>Although I have to admit, in the IP lawsuit in which I was involved, it was handy to have that 7-page cease and desist letter giving what were essentially all their intended arguments. Once I knew I could handle those, I knew I was safe. But I&#8217;m an exception. Like rattlesnakes in my childhood, lawyers simply don&#8217;t scare me. That&#8217;s not true of most people, and the law should protect them first and foremost. I&#8217;d be quite happy to sign an &#8220;abuse me like I was my lawyer&#8221; waver. For everyone else, a lawyer should be required to &#8220;talk nice&#8221; until an opposing lawyer enters the picture, one who knows a bluff and a lie when he sees it.</p>
<p>&#8211;Mike Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle<br />
Author of the quite legal <i>Untangling Tolkien</i></p>
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		By: Matthew		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds like the defense expert did a better job of explaining why we should be skeptical of all civil litigation than explaining why these acts were acceptable.  Not what he meant, I&#039;m sure, but that&#039;s certainly what came out.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the defense expert did a better job of explaining why we should be skeptical of all civil litigation than explaining why these acts were acceptable.  Not what he meant, I&#8217;m sure, but that&#8217;s certainly what came out.</p>
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		By: Dick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The wife should be charged with prostitution - having sex with the intent of making money from it!  He should qualify as a pimp as well.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wife should be charged with prostitution &#8211; having sex with the intent of making money from it!  He should qualify as a pimp as well.</p>
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		By: Brian Moore		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even though they got it more or less &quot;right,&quot; is anyone as unimpressed with the jury&#039;s verdict as I am? Their quibble with Roberts isn&#039;t that he ran an extortion scheme; they only seem upset with the fact he lied about the money going to a charity. It seems extortion is good business if commingled with adultery, not charity.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though they got it more or less &#8220;right,&#8221; is anyone as unimpressed with the jury&#8217;s verdict as I am? Their quibble with Roberts isn&#8217;t that he ran an extortion scheme; they only seem upset with the fact he lied about the money going to a charity. It seems extortion is good business if commingled with adultery, not charity.</p>
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		By: Bob Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since they were part of the same scheme, why weren&#039;t the defendants tried together? Given that they weren&#039;t, my bet is that Mrs. Roberts won&#039;t be convicted on as many counts and will receive a much lighter sentence. She will probably claim her husband coerced her and/or was abusive, so none of it was really her fault.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since they were part of the same scheme, why weren&#8217;t the defendants tried together? Given that they weren&#8217;t, my bet is that Mrs. Roberts won&#8217;t be convicted on as many counts and will receive a much lighter sentence. She will probably claim her husband coerced her and/or was abusive, so none of it was really her fault.</p>
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