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	Comments on: Jackpot?	</title>
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		By: Peter Nordberg		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/jackpot/comment-page-1/#comment-13940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Nordberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But the post didn&#039;t confine itself to stating or arguing that the claim shouldn&#039;t be actionable.  It focused on the parents&#039; motives for bringing suit.  On that front, the post seems at war with itself.  Suing with the objective of recovering damages is unacceptable because it smacks of greed.  Suing with the objective of securing information is unacceptable because the proper objective of a lawsuit should be ... what, recovering damages?  If not that, then what *would* be an appropriate motivation for litigation?

Motivations may be fair grist for personal criticism of the litigants, but on that level, it&#039;s unpersuasive to suggest that the parents would be incurious if their son had died at a janitor&#039;s house.  If the intended suggestion is actually that the parents didn&#039;t care about their dead child and were simply exploiting their son&#039;s death in cynical pursuit of a payday -- well, that seems an over-the-top charge to level, if based on nothing more than the filing of a lawsuit (and I see no other basis for the charge here).  Where&#039;s the similar post on Fred Goldman?

Fred Goldman, it may be responded, had much better grounds to sue.  But now we&#039;re discussing the merits of the claims.  Whether there was a good-faith basis for suit seems a slight change of subject, but in any event, there does appear to have been such as basis, in this case, as a matter of positive law: the claim made it to trial and settled only there.  There may be arguments that it shouldn&#039;t have -- that motions for summary judgment were wrongly decided, that doctrine should be changed, etc.  But the post doesn&#039;t make them.  It attacks the litigants&#039; motivations instead.  From the post, I can&#039;t even glean the legal theory under which the claims proceeded.  The only cited source is a press article that doesn&#039;t do much to explain the legal details either.

On the level of policy, speculating about people&#039;s motives for filing litigation seems unproductive. People&#039;s motives in bringing and defending litigation often are not pretty -- and someone, somewhere, will find some motive to bring any lawsuit the system permits them to bring.  The interesting policy question is which ones to permit, and how to weed out the undesirable ones, without extirpating the valid ones too.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the post didn&#8217;t confine itself to stating or arguing that the claim shouldn&#8217;t be actionable.  It focused on the parents&#8217; motives for bringing suit.  On that front, the post seems at war with itself.  Suing with the objective of recovering damages is unacceptable because it smacks of greed.  Suing with the objective of securing information is unacceptable because the proper objective of a lawsuit should be &#8230; what, recovering damages?  If not that, then what *would* be an appropriate motivation for litigation?</p>
<p>Motivations may be fair grist for personal criticism of the litigants, but on that level, it&#8217;s unpersuasive to suggest that the parents would be incurious if their son had died at a janitor&#8217;s house.  If the intended suggestion is actually that the parents didn&#8217;t care about their dead child and were simply exploiting their son&#8217;s death in cynical pursuit of a payday &#8212; well, that seems an over-the-top charge to level, if based on nothing more than the filing of a lawsuit (and I see no other basis for the charge here).  Where&#8217;s the similar post on Fred Goldman?</p>
<p>Fred Goldman, it may be responded, had much better grounds to sue.  But now we&#8217;re discussing the merits of the claims.  Whether there was a good-faith basis for suit seems a slight change of subject, but in any event, there does appear to have been such as basis, in this case, as a matter of positive law: the claim made it to trial and settled only there.  There may be arguments that it shouldn&#8217;t have &#8212; that motions for summary judgment were wrongly decided, that doctrine should be changed, etc.  But the post doesn&#8217;t make them.  It attacks the litigants&#8217; motivations instead.  From the post, I can&#8217;t even glean the legal theory under which the claims proceeded.  The only cited source is a press article that doesn&#8217;t do much to explain the legal details either.</p>
<p>On the level of policy, speculating about people&#8217;s motives for filing litigation seems unproductive. People&#8217;s motives in bringing and defending litigation often are not pretty &#8212; and someone, somewhere, will find some motive to bring any lawsuit the system permits them to bring.  The interesting policy question is which ones to permit, and how to weed out the undesirable ones, without extirpating the valid ones too.</p>
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		By: Kat		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/jackpot/comment-page-1/#comment-13939</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As the defendant&#039;s granddaughter died of an overdoes some three months later, perhaps he should file against the parents as their failure to properly supervise their son led to his suicide that so upset his granddaughter, .....
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the defendant&#8217;s granddaughter died of an overdoes some three months later, perhaps he should file against the parents as their failure to properly supervise their son led to his suicide that so upset his granddaughter, &#8230;..</p>
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		By: David Nieporent		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/jackpot/comment-page-1/#comment-13938</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doug C: that last paragraph is my point.  I don&#039;t see even a pretense that there was a good faith belief in liability.  Just an attempt to extract money combined with a veneer of information-seeking.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug C: that last paragraph is my point.  I don&#8217;t see even a pretense that there was a good faith belief in liability.  Just an attempt to extract money combined with a veneer of information-seeking.</p>
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		By: Doug C.		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/jackpot/comment-page-1/#comment-13937</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course litigation is used for discovery. If you are trying to find something out, and are being stonewalled, what other recourse is there?

In the site&#039;s coverage of the &quot;Litigation is Coercive&quot; story (https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/03/litigation_is_coercive.html), the method used (admittedly, in that case, for an improper purpose) was a &quot;Deposition Before Suit&quot; under Texas Rule of Civil Procedure 202.

A Rule 202 Petition can be filed to either (1) preserve deposition testimony (from, e.g., witnesses who may be close to death), or (2) to investigate whether you have a claim against the deponent or some other third party. The only relief available for a Rule 202 Petition is a deposition. It allows parties to investigate potential claims so that they don&#039;t file frivolous (or, in the vocabulary of the Rules, &quot;groundless,&quot; &quot;harassing,&quot; or &quot;bad faith&quot;) claims.

This case and the one in San Antonio do not appear exactly as paragons of good faith or propriety. But lawsuit as means of discovery? Neither remarkable nor illegitimate.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course litigation is used for discovery. If you are trying to find something out, and are being stonewalled, what other recourse is there?</p>
<p>In the site&#8217;s coverage of the &#8220;Litigation is Coercive&#8221; story (<a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/03/litigation_is_coercive.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/03/litigation_is_coercive.html</a>), the method used (admittedly, in that case, for an improper purpose) was a &#8220;Deposition Before Suit&#8221; under Texas Rule of Civil Procedure 202.</p>
<p>A Rule 202 Petition can be filed to either (1) preserve deposition testimony (from, e.g., witnesses who may be close to death), or (2) to investigate whether you have a claim against the deponent or some other third party. The only relief available for a Rule 202 Petition is a deposition. It allows parties to investigate potential claims so that they don&#8217;t file frivolous (or, in the vocabulary of the Rules, &#8220;groundless,&#8221; &#8220;harassing,&#8221; or &#8220;bad faith&#8221;) claims.</p>
<p>This case and the one in San Antonio do not appear exactly as paragons of good faith or propriety. But lawsuit as means of discovery? Neither remarkable nor illegitimate.</p>
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		By: Charlie B		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/jackpot/comment-page-1/#comment-13936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It must not be about the 26th Amendment either. If they are old enough to vote, they are old enough to be responsible for their own acts.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must not be about the 26th Amendment either. If they are old enough to vote, they are old enough to be responsible for their own acts.</p>
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		By: Todd Rogers		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/jackpot/comment-page-1/#comment-13935</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shouldn&#039;t someone being suing the US Treasury for &lt;i&gt;printing&lt;/i&gt; too much currency?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t someone being suing the US Treasury for <i>printing</i> too much currency?</p>
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