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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If the employer treats someone, as if or with the belief that he/she has a disability than the ADA still applies&quot;

So, in this case, the ADA applies because it says they can&#039;t fire a surgeon who is mental.  Eve if th guy WASN&#039;T mental, the whole point is that they couldn&#039;t fire him over BEING mental.

Either way, it&#039;s still messed up.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the employer treats someone, as if or with the belief that he/she has a disability than the ADA still applies&#8221;</p>
<p>So, in this case, the ADA applies because it says they can&#8217;t fire a surgeon who is mental.  Eve if th guy WASN&#8217;T mental, the whole point is that they couldn&#8217;t fire him over BEING mental.</p>
<p>Either way, it&#8217;s still messed up.</p>
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		By: ben tillman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ben tillman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tort law is in fact law.  Anti-discrimination &quot;law&quot; is the opposite of law.  It should not be surprising that the two produce conflicting dictates.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tort law is in fact law.  Anti-discrimination &#8220;law&#8221; is the opposite of law.  It should not be surprising that the two produce conflicting dictates.</p>
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		By: Donald Hudson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Hudson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deoxy you are not correct.
If the employer treats someone, as if or with the belief that he/she has a disability than the ADA still applies
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deoxy you are not correct.<br />
If the employer treats someone, as if or with the belief that he/she has a disability than the ADA still applies</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/sued-if-you-do-sued-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-14049</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The problem here is not that the hospital could have or should have accommodated him. It is that whatever they did, they would be held liable.&quot;

QFT.

Besides that, if the claim is that he DIDN&#039;T have mental problems, how could they possibly b violating the ADA?  The fact that he had mental problems is the only reason the ADA was invoked in the first place!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The problem here is not that the hospital could have or should have accommodated him. It is that whatever they did, they would be held liable.&#8221;</p>
<p>QFT.</p>
<p>Besides that, if the claim is that he DIDN&#8217;T have mental problems, how could they possibly b violating the ADA?  The fact that he had mental problems is the only reason the ADA was invoked in the first place!</p>
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		By: OBQuiet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBQuiet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KingTubby,

Are you saying that the news account is wrong about his having been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder? What other part of the first paragraph is incorrect. And if it is accurate, do you think a jury would be swayed by it? I sure do and I doubt that saying that the ADA demanded they keep in on would cut it unless they had a court order to that effect.

The problem here is not that the hospital could have or should have accommodated him. It is that whatever they did, they would be held liable.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KingTubby,</p>
<p>Are you saying that the news account is wrong about his having been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder? What other part of the first paragraph is incorrect. And if it is accurate, do you think a jury would be swayed by it? I sure do and I doubt that saying that the ADA demanded they keep in on would cut it unless they had a court order to that effect.</p>
<p>The problem here is not that the hospital could have or should have accommodated him. It is that whatever they did, they would be held liable.</p>
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		By: KingTubby		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/04/sued-if-you-do-sued-if-you-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-14047</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KingTubby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, it wouldn&#039;t hurt any of you to read the facts of the case more closely.  Following an episode which even the hospital concedes was uncharacteristic, WVHCS administrators DECLARED that Dr. Haas had suffered from a delusional episode, without the benefit of any examination.  The hospital required Dr. Haas to receive psychiatric clearance inorder to resume operating.  So Dr. Haas went to a doctor, who found NO EVIDENCE of mental illness.  The board made him see another doctor, who again found NO EVIDENCE of mental illness.  The board then made him see a third doctor, who stated that whatever Dr. Haas&#039; condition was, it was now &quot;stable.&quot; There still isn&#039;t a shred of evidence on the record that Dr. Haas has EVER been diagnosed with an Axis I psychiatric condition.

At this time, the board decided that in order to reclaim priveleges, Dr. Haas would have to persuade a fellow orthopaedic surgeon from the hospital -- that is, the doctors who COMPETED AGAINST HIM for patients -- to supervise him for six months.  Dr. Haas was not permitted to go outside the hospital system to find a supervisor.  When a respected general surgeon volunteered to supervise Dr. Haas, the board rejected his offer.  After six months, no one had agreed to supervise Dr. Haas in surgery; when he complained to the board that the standard they had established was impossible to meet, they refused to hear his complaint, on the grounds that it was not timely.

It seems plain from these facts that WVHCS had ZERO intention of accomodating Dr. Haas, reasonably or otherwise.  Despite reports from three psychiatrists that Dr. Haas was able to work, despite the presence of a surgeon willing to supervise him, they refused to implement a plan that he could meet.  I think the hospital plainly violated the ADA, and the jury award was appropriate.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it wouldn&#8217;t hurt any of you to read the facts of the case more closely.  Following an episode which even the hospital concedes was uncharacteristic, WVHCS administrators DECLARED that Dr. Haas had suffered from a delusional episode, without the benefit of any examination.  The hospital required Dr. Haas to receive psychiatric clearance inorder to resume operating.  So Dr. Haas went to a doctor, who found NO EVIDENCE of mental illness.  The board made him see another doctor, who again found NO EVIDENCE of mental illness.  The board then made him see a third doctor, who stated that whatever Dr. Haas&#8217; condition was, it was now &#8220;stable.&#8221; There still isn&#8217;t a shred of evidence on the record that Dr. Haas has EVER been diagnosed with an Axis I psychiatric condition.</p>
<p>At this time, the board decided that in order to reclaim priveleges, Dr. Haas would have to persuade a fellow orthopaedic surgeon from the hospital &#8212; that is, the doctors who COMPETED AGAINST HIM for patients &#8212; to supervise him for six months.  Dr. Haas was not permitted to go outside the hospital system to find a supervisor.  When a respected general surgeon volunteered to supervise Dr. Haas, the board rejected his offer.  After six months, no one had agreed to supervise Dr. Haas in surgery; when he complained to the board that the standard they had established was impossible to meet, they refused to hear his complaint, on the grounds that it was not timely.</p>
<p>It seems plain from these facts that WVHCS had ZERO intention of accomodating Dr. Haas, reasonably or otherwise.  Despite reports from three psychiatrists that Dr. Haas was able to work, despite the presence of a surgeon willing to supervise him, they refused to implement a plan that he could meet.  I think the hospital plainly violated the ADA, and the jury award was appropriate.</p>
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		By: David Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David&#039;s find is a great example of what&#039;s making American law fundamentally illegitimate. A sound legal system must provide some level of expectation about what will happen with a given dispute or set of facts. That&#039;s part of what gives law its social utility -- allowing social participants to plan their lives and activities accordingly. Otherwise, we may as well replace &quot;law&quot; with simple &quot;authority,&quot; and give the local strongman carte blanche to settle disputes as his whim dictates.

But this is a yet sicker perversion. Here, it&#039;s not merely that the degree of liability isn&#039;t ascertained, it&#039;s that you face diametrically opposed consequences for the same set of actions. Even with a strongman, you know that the punishment will go from &quot;bad&quot; to &quot;worse&quot; and you can at least plan for that. But here, no plan is rational, and a model citizen - intent on obeying the law the best he can - is crushed.

The argument that lawsuits might be expensive but aren&#039;t simply raw opportunism (and thus have social value because they advance some good cause) is obliterated with a case like this.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8217;s find is a great example of what&#8217;s making American law fundamentally illegitimate. A sound legal system must provide some level of expectation about what will happen with a given dispute or set of facts. That&#8217;s part of what gives law its social utility &#8212; allowing social participants to plan their lives and activities accordingly. Otherwise, we may as well replace &#8220;law&#8221; with simple &#8220;authority,&#8221; and give the local strongman carte blanche to settle disputes as his whim dictates.</p>
<p>But this is a yet sicker perversion. Here, it&#8217;s not merely that the degree of liability isn&#8217;t ascertained, it&#8217;s that you face diametrically opposed consequences for the same set of actions. Even with a strongman, you know that the punishment will go from &#8220;bad&#8221; to &#8220;worse&#8221; and you can at least plan for that. But here, no plan is rational, and a model citizen &#8211; intent on obeying the law the best he can &#8211; is crushed.</p>
<p>The argument that lawsuits might be expensive but aren&#8217;t simply raw opportunism (and thus have social value because they advance some good cause) is obliterated with a case like this.</p>
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		By: Yoda		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yoda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Provided that the statements made in this thread are true, what hospital in their right mind would every hire this guy?

I wouldn&#039;t hire a surgeon who was a double amputee, because his disability prevents him from performing his job in an acceptable manner (you kinda need your hands for surgery), and I wouldn&#039;t hire a person who has an unreasonably high expectation (both by predisposition and past historical example) of being able to perform their functions in a safe and proper manner.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Provided that the statements made in this thread are true, what hospital in their right mind would every hire this guy?</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t hire a surgeon who was a double amputee, because his disability prevents him from performing his job in an acceptable manner (you kinda need your hands for surgery), and I wouldn&#8217;t hire a person who has an unreasonably high expectation (both by predisposition and past historical example) of being able to perform their functions in a safe and proper manner.</p>
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		By: Anirban		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anirban]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dirty Harry thus said &quot; the law is crazy&quot;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirty Harry thus said &#8221; the law is crazy&#8221;</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Par for the course.

In fact, I&#039;d hazard a guess that many lawyers LIKE this situation - guaranteed employment and money for them.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Par for the course.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;d hazard a guess that many lawyers LIKE this situation &#8211; guaranteed employment and money for them.</p>
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