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	Comments on: &#8220;Twelve Angry Men&#8221;	</title>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 07:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[‘12 Angry Men‘ was a great film, and amazingly, the remake was just as good. There was  a theory of the case: the boy killed his father. Was the evidence selected on the basis of the theory, or was it objective evidence? In the Martha Stewart case, her disgorgement of 85,000 of 90,000 shares of Imclone stock long before her suspect trade of 3,928 shares was considered irrelevent. She also  tendered her remaining 5,000 shares, the offer was for 20% of the company and that is why her sale was for a strange number of shares. She sold off her residual shares on advice of her broker at a time when tax selling is done. The trial was based on seeing evidence of guilt in her chit-chat with a friend, and a potential adjustment to a note on her computer. According to members of the jury, they started with the presumption of guilt and saw her actions as part of a cover-up of something.

More substantially, and perhaps a closer fit to the movie,  was the incarceration of innocent young men in the famous Central-Park Jogger case. Once it was clear that the woman was the victim of a particularly bad guy and not of wilding teens, one could see how the authorities twisted their interpretations of testimony to fit a theory of the case. (There is no indication that the authorities acted in bad faith.)

Obviously the movie failed as a polemic. There was the acceptance in American courts of repressed memories, the fantastic stories in the day-care center cases, and inane theories in tort cases.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘12 Angry Men‘ was a great film, and amazingly, the remake was just as good. There was  a theory of the case: the boy killed his father. Was the evidence selected on the basis of the theory, or was it objective evidence? In the Martha Stewart case, her disgorgement of 85,000 of 90,000 shares of Imclone stock long before her suspect trade of 3,928 shares was considered irrelevent. She also  tendered her remaining 5,000 shares, the offer was for 20% of the company and that is why her sale was for a strange number of shares. She sold off her residual shares on advice of her broker at a time when tax selling is done. The trial was based on seeing evidence of guilt in her chit-chat with a friend, and a potential adjustment to a note on her computer. According to members of the jury, they started with the presumption of guilt and saw her actions as part of a cover-up of something.</p>
<p>More substantially, and perhaps a closer fit to the movie,  was the incarceration of innocent young men in the famous Central-Park Jogger case. Once it was clear that the woman was the victim of a particularly bad guy and not of wilding teens, one could see how the authorities twisted their interpretations of testimony to fit a theory of the case. (There is no indication that the authorities acted in bad faith.)</p>
<p>Obviously the movie failed as a polemic. There was the acceptance in American courts of repressed memories, the fantastic stories in the day-care center cases, and inane theories in tort cases.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It took him 5 years to figur this out?  I knew it before they even released the film.  Of course, that&#039;s easy, since that description fits 99% of Hollywood films that even might be considered by a few to have political relevance...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took him 5 years to figur this out?  I knew it before they even released the film.  Of course, that&#8217;s easy, since that description fits 99% of Hollywood films that even might be considered by a few to have political relevance&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ted		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every other Robot Chicken sketch is on YouTube, but, alas, not their satire of 12 Angry Men using Fisher-Price Little People.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every other Robot Chicken sketch is on YouTube, but, alas, not their satire of 12 Angry Men using Fisher-Price Little People.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course, if &quot;12 Angry Men&quot; were made today, the exonerated Kid would have written a best-seller &quot;If I had knifed my Father, this is how I would have done it.&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if &#8220;12 Angry Men&#8221; were made today, the exonerated Kid would have written a best-seller &#8220;If I had knifed my Father, this is how I would have done it.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Joe Bingham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Bingham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was unclear. By &quot;he,&quot; I meant Henry Fonda.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was unclear. By &#8220;he,&#8221; I meant Henry Fonda.</p>
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		By: Joe Bingham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Bingham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Funny this comes up literally 5 minutes after I watch &lt;i&gt;Once Upon a Time in the West&lt;/i&gt;. In that movie he&#039;s a conservative. At least, I guess he is, since he kills children for money.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny this comes up literally 5 minutes after I watch <i>Once Upon a Time in the West</i>. In that movie he&#8217;s a conservative. At least, I guess he is, since he kills children for money.</p>
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