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	Comments on: &#8220;Pro Bono&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean cheap	</title>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 12:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David,

Are you sure about that?  I did some computer work for a local charity.  I did it voluntarily, but the Administrator asked me my hourly rate for this type of work and asked me to punch in and out.  When I completed my work, she presented me with a form that listed my hours and my hourly rate and the work that I did.  She told me that the reciept was so that I could submit my the value of my time as a charitable contribution on my income taxes.  I don&#039;t itemize so it wasn&#039;t needed, but she said that this was done all of the time and it has never been questioned.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Are you sure about that?  I did some computer work for a local charity.  I did it voluntarily, but the Administrator asked me my hourly rate for this type of work and asked me to punch in and out.  When I completed my work, she presented me with a form that listed my hours and my hourly rate and the work that I did.  She told me that the reciept was so that I could submit my the value of my time as a charitable contribution on my income taxes.  I don&#8217;t itemize so it wasn&#8217;t needed, but she said that this was done all of the time and it has never been questioned.</p>
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		By: David Nieporent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Isn&#039;t one of the &quot;benefits&quot; for lawyers doing pro-bono work that they get a deduction on their income taxes? Seems to me that pro-bono could be a pretty lucrative sideline.&lt;/i&gt;

Jim, you can&#039;t get a tax deduction for donating services -- only money or tangible goods.  (Presumably because it would be too easy to manipulate the donation of services.)  Of course, what they&#039;ll sometimes do is donate their court-awarded fees to charity and take the deduction that way.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Isn&#8217;t one of the &#8220;benefits&#8221; for lawyers doing pro-bono work that they get a deduction on their income taxes? Seems to me that pro-bono could be a pretty lucrative sideline.</i></p>
<p>Jim, you can&#8217;t get a tax deduction for donating services &#8212; only money or tangible goods.  (Presumably because it would be too easy to manipulate the donation of services.)  Of course, what they&#8217;ll sometimes do is donate their court-awarded fees to charity and take the deduction that way.</p>
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		By: Mark Bennett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David,

Liptak wrote, &quot;That is, for better or worse, how real-life pro bono works.&quot; No, that&#039;s not really how pro bono works. Work on a contingency is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; pro bono.

The big problem with paying lawyers according to what they would get on the open market is that, by the time the court is deciding what they should be paid, they have already won the case (because the winner doesn&#039;t have to pay the loser&#039;s fees). So the &quot;market price&quot; for legal services is the amount a reasonable client would pay for &lt;i&gt;assured victory&lt;/i&gt;, which is likely substantially more than they would be willing to pay for the chance of winning.

I&#039;ve written a little more about the &lt;i&gt;Arbor Hill&lt;/i&gt; case &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/05/doing-right-thing-it-could-cost-you.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Mark Bennett
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bennettandbennett.com/blog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Defending People Blog&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Liptak wrote, &#8220;That is, for better or worse, how real-life pro bono works.&#8221; No, that&#8217;s not really how pro bono works. Work on a contingency is <i>not</i> pro bono.</p>
<p>The big problem with paying lawyers according to what they would get on the open market is that, by the time the court is deciding what they should be paid, they have already won the case (because the winner doesn&#8217;t have to pay the loser&#8217;s fees). So the &#8220;market price&#8221; for legal services is the amount a reasonable client would pay for <i>assured victory</i>, which is likely substantially more than they would be willing to pay for the chance of winning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written a little more about the <i>Arbor Hill</i> case <a href="http://www.bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/05/doing-right-thing-it-could-cost-you.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Mark Bennett<br />
<a href="http://www.bennettandbennett.com/blog" rel="nofollow">Defending People Blog</a></p>
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		By: David Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/05/pro-bono-doesnt-mean-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-14188</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim, I&#039;ve never heard of that, but anyone looking for the world&#039;s best evisceration of the sappy big-firm world of &quot;pro bono&quot; should read Heather MacDonald&#039;s lengthy article on it for City Journal, here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_2_what_good_is_pro_bono.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_2_what_good_is_pro_bono.html&lt;/a&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I&#8217;ve never heard of that, but anyone looking for the world&#8217;s best evisceration of the sappy big-firm world of &#8220;pro bono&#8221; should read Heather MacDonald&#8217;s lengthy article on it for City Journal, here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_2_what_good_is_pro_bono.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_2_what_good_is_pro_bono.html</a></p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/05/pro-bono-doesnt-mean-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-14187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 15:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t one of the &quot;benefits&quot; for lawyers doing pro-bono work that they get a deduction on their income taxes?  Seems to me that pro-bono could be a pretty lucrative sideline.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t one of the &#8220;benefits&#8221; for lawyers doing pro-bono work that they get a deduction on their income taxes?  Seems to me that pro-bono could be a pretty lucrative sideline.</p>
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		By: David Wilson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/05/pro-bono-doesnt-mean-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-14186</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;to promote the lawyer&#039;s own reputational or societal goals&quot;

Societal goals? Why, what would those be? And shouldn&#039;t those pressing for &quot;societal goals&quot; be somehow connected to something democratically accountable? Oh, silly me. If you can&#039;t beat &#039;em, join &#039;em. Conservative public interest law, rock on.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;to promote the lawyer&#8217;s own reputational or societal goals&#8221;</p>
<p>Societal goals? Why, what would those be? And shouldn&#8217;t those pressing for &#8220;societal goals&#8221; be somehow connected to something democratically accountable? Oh, silly me. If you can&#8217;t beat &#8217;em, join &#8217;em. Conservative public interest law, rock on.</p>
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