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		By: &#8220;Suit forces eHarmony to offer gay dating service&#8221;		</title>
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		By: Michelle Malkin &#187; eHarmony forced to offer same-sex dating services		</title>
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		By: Cruising Troll		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting case.  There are some serious moral and ethical issues at stake here.  First though, some groundwork, via a better analogy.

An observant Jew (or Muslim) goes out for dinner one night in a strange city.  While at the restaraunt, he asks whether or not the food is kosher/halal.  When informed that it isn&#039;t, does he have a basis for crying &quot;religious discrimination&quot;?

Now, perhaps the chef will inform the patron that they don&#039;t have kosher food because a) they don&#039;t have enough demand for it, and b) they don&#039;t have the proper training and skills, etc.  How does the religious discrimination charge stand?

Still, let&#039;s look at another food analogy.  Instead of religious person, we have a Montana rancher stranded in Granolaville for a weekend due to his pickemup truck breaking down.  He goes out for breakfast, but the only thing he finds is vegetarian fare.  When he asks why can&#039;t he get steak and eggs, he&#039;s informed that The Earth Goddess prohibits people from eating others Her Children, and so no steak and eggs.  He&#039;s welcome to have anything else on the menu, the tofu and sprouts with lemon are positively delicous.  Religiously motivitated discrimination?

Finally, a last analogy: our rancher, still stuck in town, finds himself quite hungry come lunch time (tofu and sprouts coming up short in the &quot;stick to your ribs&quot; department!), and seeks out another eatery.  This one has a similar menu.  Somewhat annoyed, Duke inquires &quot;why can&#039;t I get a burger?!&quot;  The cook, with a world-weary yet beatific expression on his face, replies:

&quot;because burgers are bad for you, so I don&#039;t serve them.&quot;

In all these analogies, the proprietors are failing to meet the desires of their customers, for a variety of reasons.  None of them are refusing service to their customers.

What&#039;s truly stupid about this case is that the plaintiff is seeking out the expertise of E-Harmony, in all liklihood because she hasn&#039;t had much success finding her &#039;soulmate&#039; on her own.  Well, one of the &quot;29 dimensions of compatibility&quot; is sex (as in male or female?).  E-Harmony&#039;s expertise leads them to believe that males bond best in romantic relationships with females, and visa versa.  So, having failed using her own criteria, she is demanding that they dispense with their own expertise and use her paradigm.

duh....
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting case.  There are some serious moral and ethical issues at stake here.  First though, some groundwork, via a better analogy.</p>
<p>An observant Jew (or Muslim) goes out for dinner one night in a strange city.  While at the restaraunt, he asks whether or not the food is kosher/halal.  When informed that it isn&#8217;t, does he have a basis for crying &#8220;religious discrimination&#8221;?</p>
<p>Now, perhaps the chef will inform the patron that they don&#8217;t have kosher food because a) they don&#8217;t have enough demand for it, and b) they don&#8217;t have the proper training and skills, etc.  How does the religious discrimination charge stand?</p>
<p>Still, let&#8217;s look at another food analogy.  Instead of religious person, we have a Montana rancher stranded in Granolaville for a weekend due to his pickemup truck breaking down.  He goes out for breakfast, but the only thing he finds is vegetarian fare.  When he asks why can&#8217;t he get steak and eggs, he&#8217;s informed that The Earth Goddess prohibits people from eating others Her Children, and so no steak and eggs.  He&#8217;s welcome to have anything else on the menu, the tofu and sprouts with lemon are positively delicous.  Religiously motivitated discrimination?</p>
<p>Finally, a last analogy: our rancher, still stuck in town, finds himself quite hungry come lunch time (tofu and sprouts coming up short in the &#8220;stick to your ribs&#8221; department!), and seeks out another eatery.  This one has a similar menu.  Somewhat annoyed, Duke inquires &#8220;why can&#8217;t I get a burger?!&#8221;  The cook, with a world-weary yet beatific expression on his face, replies:</p>
<p>&#8220;because burgers are bad for you, so I don&#8217;t serve them.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all these analogies, the proprietors are failing to meet the desires of their customers, for a variety of reasons.  None of them are refusing service to their customers.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s truly stupid about this case is that the plaintiff is seeking out the expertise of E-Harmony, in all liklihood because she hasn&#8217;t had much success finding her &#8216;soulmate&#8217; on her own.  Well, one of the &#8220;29 dimensions of compatibility&#8221; is sex (as in male or female?).  E-Harmony&#8217;s expertise leads them to believe that males bond best in romantic relationships with females, and visa versa.  So, having failed using her own criteria, she is demanding that they dispense with their own expertise and use her paradigm.</p>
<p>duh&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I think my latest analogy was imperfect.

The barber analogy is still good, I just stated it wrongly.

Jane walks into a barbershop.  There is a sign on the counter: &quot;buzzcuts, $1&quot;.  Jane pays $1.  The barber asks what length she would like her buzz, and she responds that she doesn&#039;t want a buzzcut, she wants a perm, and proceeds to sue.

The service offered and paid for was available!  eHarmony could certainly match the woman in question, just as they would any other woman... to a man.  That the woman in question doesn&#039;t WANT that service is not their fault - that&#039;s what she paid for.

They are not refusing to give her the same service bcause of her sexual orientation... she is demanding a DIFFERENT service.

Actually, for the woman in question, they could also quite easily give her a blank page as the result of the search of their database for matching lesbians... because they don&#039;t have any.  Somehow, I think she would have sued over that as well.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think my latest analogy was imperfect.</p>
<p>The barber analogy is still good, I just stated it wrongly.</p>
<p>Jane walks into a barbershop.  There is a sign on the counter: &#8220;buzzcuts, $1&#8221;.  Jane pays $1.  The barber asks what length she would like her buzz, and she responds that she doesn&#8217;t want a buzzcut, she wants a perm, and proceeds to sue.</p>
<p>The service offered and paid for was available!  eHarmony could certainly match the woman in question, just as they would any other woman&#8230; to a man.  That the woman in question doesn&#8217;t WANT that service is not their fault &#8211; that&#8217;s what she paid for.</p>
<p>They are not refusing to give her the same service bcause of her sexual orientation&#8230; she is demanding a DIFFERENT service.</p>
<p>Actually, for the woman in question, they could also quite easily give her a blank page as the result of the search of their database for matching lesbians&#8230; because they don&#8217;t have any.  Somehow, I think she would have sued over that as well.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ima Fish,

You want a flaw in your analogy?  Fine, here it is:

Matching a gay couple is not the same serevice as matching a hetrosexual couple.

Therefore, your race analogy falls flat, and th OB analogy works just fine.

Actually, even better is the hairdresser/barber analogy offered so far.  If you went to the barber, who claimed expertise in cutting men&#039;s hair, and asked for woman&#039;s style and perm, could they say no?

If the answer is &quot;yes&quot;, then this suit against Harmony is bogus.  Plain and simple.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ima Fish,</p>
<p>You want a flaw in your analogy?  Fine, here it is:</p>
<p>Matching a gay couple is not the same serevice as matching a hetrosexual couple.</p>
<p>Therefore, your race analogy falls flat, and th OB analogy works just fine.</p>
<p>Actually, even better is the hairdresser/barber analogy offered so far.  If you went to the barber, who claimed expertise in cutting men&#8217;s hair, and asked for woman&#8217;s style and perm, could they say no?</p>
<p>If the answer is &#8220;yes&#8221;, then this suit against Harmony is bogus.  Plain and simple.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Eharmony doesn&#039;t offer the service of matching up gays and lesbians because they don&#039;t know what factors are involved in matching up gays and lesbians. &lt;/i&gt;

Yet eHarmony didn&#039;t say that until this lawsuit.  Until this lawsuit was filed, it only dealt promised to &quot;match singles.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;And do we really want to mandate by judicial fiate that eharmony put the same amount of resources into aquiring this skill as they have with matching up heterosexuals? &lt;/i&gt;

Do we really want a company to provide the service for which they advertise?  Only a fool would say &quot;no.&quot;

EHarmony should not be  forced to put resources into anything other than they claimed they already had.

Clearly the best solution would be for the woman to get her money back and eHarmony to change their advertising or agreements to contain a disclaimer on homosexual and heterosexual relationships.

The judicial system won&#039;t let that happen though as there is money in dem der hills.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Eharmony doesn&#8217;t offer the service of matching up gays and lesbians because they don&#8217;t know what factors are involved in matching up gays and lesbians. </i></p>
<p>Yet eHarmony didn&#8217;t say that until this lawsuit.  Until this lawsuit was filed, it only dealt promised to &#8220;match singles.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>And do we really want to mandate by judicial fiate that eharmony put the same amount of resources into aquiring this skill as they have with matching up heterosexuals? </i></p>
<p>Do we really want a company to provide the service for which they advertise?  Only a fool would say &#8220;no.&#8221;</p>
<p>EHarmony should not be  forced to put resources into anything other than they claimed they already had.</p>
<p>Clearly the best solution would be for the woman to get her money back and eHarmony to change their advertising or agreements to contain a disclaimer on homosexual and heterosexual relationships.</p>
<p>The judicial system won&#8217;t let that happen though as there is money in dem der hills.</p>
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		By: Regan DuCasse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not defending eHarmony. In fact, I&#039;m a straight woman that was rejected because I SUPPORTED gay people. In filling out their form, I wanted a mate that was gay friendly and also supportive of gay people.
And that was that...

My biggest problem with eHarmony is this line: &quot;their research shows that same sex couples don&#039;t have same abilities to commit&quot;, or words to that effect.

Which is really saying that they believe the anti gay myth that gay couples don&#039;t form bonds, or are incapable of doing so or nurturing each other with the same superior ability that heterosexuals do.
Hey, if anyone has to pay for matching services, and they are such big business precisely to take the hit and miss out of doing it yourself, then their point doesn&#039;t make any sense.

Okay fine, so they don&#039;t provide matching services for gay couples.
Goody for them.

But spreading the misinformation that gay couples don&#039;t or can&#039;t make good couples (while at the same time rejecting gay people who clearly WANT to be with someone), and pretending that straight couples have a lock on natural attraction and success (while match up services, divorce lawyers and children&#039;s services are big business), the hypocrisy clearly has no bottom.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not defending eHarmony. In fact, I&#8217;m a straight woman that was rejected because I SUPPORTED gay people. In filling out their form, I wanted a mate that was gay friendly and also supportive of gay people.<br />
And that was that&#8230;</p>
<p>My biggest problem with eHarmony is this line: &#8220;their research shows that same sex couples don&#8217;t have same abilities to commit&#8221;, or words to that effect.</p>
<p>Which is really saying that they believe the anti gay myth that gay couples don&#8217;t form bonds, or are incapable of doing so or nurturing each other with the same superior ability that heterosexuals do.<br />
Hey, if anyone has to pay for matching services, and they are such big business precisely to take the hit and miss out of doing it yourself, then their point doesn&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
<p>Okay fine, so they don&#8217;t provide matching services for gay couples.<br />
Goody for them.</p>
<p>But spreading the misinformation that gay couples don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t make good couples (while at the same time rejecting gay people who clearly WANT to be with someone), and pretending that straight couples have a lock on natural attraction and success (while match up services, divorce lawyers and children&#8217;s services are big business), the hypocrisy clearly has no bottom.</p>
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		By: Half Canadian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Half Canadian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;

Is a doctor who specializes in prostate exams required to give gynecological exams, just because the former aren&#039;t useful to women and the latter are?

This is like suing your wife&#039;s OB because he won&#039;t see you about your prostate problem.

I believe these analogies miss the mark in this case. Prostrate exams and OBGYN exams are two different specialities and the offer of provided services are not the same.

A closer analogy would be for a doctor to be an expert in prostrate exams. In offering prostrate exams to men he refuses to perform exams or not perform exams to the same standard for black males as he does for white males.

&lt;/i&gt;
Pshaw.  Eharmony doesn&#039;t offer the service of matching up gays and lesbians because they don&#039;t know what factors are involved in matching up gays and lesbians.  They would be offering a lesser service if they did this and they, from a corporate standpoint, would be diluting their brand if they did this.

And do we really want to mandate by judicial fiate that eharmony put the same amount of resources into aquiring this skill as they have with matching up heterosexuals?  Only a fool would say yes.


And race &gt; sexual orientation.  That is a truly faulty analogy.
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<p>Is a doctor who specializes in prostate exams required to give gynecological exams, just because the former aren&#8217;t useful to women and the latter are?</p>
<p>This is like suing your wife&#8217;s OB because he won&#8217;t see you about your prostate problem.</p>
<p>I believe these analogies miss the mark in this case. Prostrate exams and OBGYN exams are two different specialities and the offer of provided services are not the same.</p>
<p>A closer analogy would be for a doctor to be an expert in prostrate exams. In offering prostrate exams to men he refuses to perform exams or not perform exams to the same standard for black males as he does for white males.</p>
<p></i><br />
Pshaw.  Eharmony doesn&#8217;t offer the service of matching up gays and lesbians because they don&#8217;t know what factors are involved in matching up gays and lesbians.  They would be offering a lesser service if they did this and they, from a corporate standpoint, would be diluting their brand if they did this.</p>
<p>And do we really want to mandate by judicial fiate that eharmony put the same amount of resources into aquiring this skill as they have with matching up heterosexuals?  Only a fool would say yes.</p>
<p>And race > sexual orientation.  That is a truly faulty analogy.</p>
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		By: Tom T.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an interesting issue.  The plaintiff will likely draw an analogy to race, and argue that a heterosexual-only policy is functionally equivalent to matching whites only with whites and blacks only with blacks, while barring interracial couples.

I think eHarmony&#039;s real problem here is that it won&#039;t want to let this case get into discovery, because then it will come to light that its dating algorithms are (presumably) pseudo-scientific nonsense.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting issue.  The plaintiff will likely draw an analogy to race, and argue that a heterosexual-only policy is functionally equivalent to matching whites only with whites and blacks only with blacks, while barring interracial couples.</p>
<p>I think eHarmony&#8217;s real problem here is that it won&#8217;t want to let this case get into discovery, because then it will come to light that its dating algorithms are (presumably) pseudo-scientific nonsense.</p>
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		By: Richard Nieporent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Nieporent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ima Fish, I must have missed the instructions on this website where I must first convince you of the correctness of my belief before I am allowed to state an opinion. You are perfectly willing to believe anything you like. I would never attempt to change your belief because you are convinced of the righteousness of your cause. However, assuming that all matching services are not scams (if they are then why would anyone want to use them or do you believe that lesbians have as much right to be scammed as heterosexuals?) then unless one can prove otherwise, one would have to accept eHarmony’s contention that their system is designed to match people of the opposite sex. If that is the case then why are you trying to force lesbians to get inferior service? I would assume that even you would accept the fact that women and men are different. If that is the case then matching men with women is not the same as matching women with women or men with men.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ima Fish, I must have missed the instructions on this website where I must first convince you of the correctness of my belief before I am allowed to state an opinion. You are perfectly willing to believe anything you like. I would never attempt to change your belief because you are convinced of the righteousness of your cause. However, assuming that all matching services are not scams (if they are then why would anyone want to use them or do you believe that lesbians have as much right to be scammed as heterosexuals?) then unless one can prove otherwise, one would have to accept eHarmony’s contention that their system is designed to match people of the opposite sex. If that is the case then why are you trying to force lesbians to get inferior service? I would assume that even you would accept the fact that women and men are different. If that is the case then matching men with women is not the same as matching women with women or men with men.</p>
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