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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PN,

This case is indeed a graet example of the problms of the legal system generally, with the problems so exposed being PARTICALLY abusable in class actions.

That is, it exposes the ability of a lawyer to extract a settlement offer in a case that almost everyone acknowledges is patently absurd.

If it can be done here, with a single pair of pants, imagine what can be done with &quot;12 million potential plaintiffs&quot;, or some such.

I believe that is the point here: whatever can be abused in the singular to giv you enough pressure to force a settlement can be multiplied by the class action to be even worse.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PN,</p>
<p>This case is indeed a graet example of the problms of the legal system generally, with the problems so exposed being PARTICALLY abusable in class actions.</p>
<p>That is, it exposes the ability of a lawyer to extract a settlement offer in a case that almost everyone acknowledges is patently absurd.</p>
<p>If it can be done here, with a single pair of pants, imagine what can be done with &#8220;12 million potential plaintiffs&#8221;, or some such.</p>
<p>I believe that is the point here: whatever can be abused in the singular to giv you enough pressure to force a settlement can be multiplied by the class action to be even worse.</p>
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		By: Peter Nordberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Nordberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Point of clarification: By &quot;larger scandalousness&quot; I meant the larger collection of scandalous aspects of the &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; case.  I meant no comparison, one way or the other, between that case and any other.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point of clarification: By &#8220;larger scandalousness&#8221; I meant the larger collection of scandalous aspects of the <i>Pearson</i> case.  I meant no comparison, one way or the other, between that case and any other.</p>
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		By: Ted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[William Lerach&#039;s tactics are objectively more scandalous than Roy Pearson&#039;s, which is one reason why I&#039;m so offended at ATLA&#039;s hypocrisy on the issue.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Lerach&#8217;s tactics are objectively more scandalous than Roy Pearson&#8217;s, which is one reason why I&#8217;m so offended at ATLA&#8217;s hypocrisy on the issue.</p>
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		By: Peter Nordberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Nordberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sophistic, Ted?  You don&#039;t think that people&#039;s reaction to the &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; case is colored (quite naturally and appropriately, I would say) by the all-too-human details?

Okay.  As I say, it&#039;s a free country.  But I&#039;m still not completely clear on what &quot;one&quot; would allegedly be &quot;chang[ing]&quot; the &quot;level of generality&quot; &lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt;.  If the level of generality is (say) &quot;class actions&quot; or &quot;large damage demands,&quot; then the degree of abstraction needed to make the connection seems quite high -- so high, in fact, that the effort to make the connection, perhaps undertaken with the hope of imbuing &quot;one&#039;s&quot; points with the derivative glow of the &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; case&#039;s larger scandalousness, might itself seem ...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophistic, Ted?  You don&#8217;t think that people&#8217;s reaction to the <i>Pearson</i> case is colored (quite naturally and appropriately, I would say) by the all-too-human details?</p>
<p>Okay.  As I say, it&#8217;s a free country.  But I&#8217;m still not completely clear on what &#8220;one&#8221; would allegedly be &#8220;chang[ing]&#8221; the &#8220;level of generality&#8221; <i>from</i>.  If the level of generality is (say) &#8220;class actions&#8221; or &#8220;large damage demands,&#8221; then the degree of abstraction needed to make the connection seems quite high &#8212; so high, in fact, that the effort to make the connection, perhaps undertaken with the hope of imbuing &#8220;one&#8217;s&#8221; points with the derivative glow of the <i>Pearson</i> case&#8217;s larger scandalousness, might itself seem &#8230;</p>
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		By: Ted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, certainly one can be sophistic and change the question of what level of generality one looks at &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt;

If one disingenuously suggests that the issue is &quot;How often does a divorced African-American city judicial official sue a Korean dry-cleaner in Washington, DC, over gray pants tailored by Hickey-Freeman and take the case to trial where he breaks down on the stand in tears?&quot;, then obviously Pearson is &lt;i&gt;sui generis&lt;/i&gt;.

But if the question is &quot;How often are lawyers able to abuse litigation to impose huge expense and extort unjust settlement offers?&quot;, then Pearson is a tiny fraction of a much much larger problem.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, certainly one can be sophistic and change the question of what level of generality one looks at <i>Pearson</i></p>
<p>If one disingenuously suggests that the issue is &#8220;How often does a divorced African-American city judicial official sue a Korean dry-cleaner in Washington, DC, over gray pants tailored by Hickey-Freeman and take the case to trial where he breaks down on the stand in tears?&#8221;, then obviously Pearson is <i>sui generis</i>.</p>
<p>But if the question is &#8220;How often are lawyers able to abuse litigation to impose huge expense and extort unjust settlement offers?&#8221;, then Pearson is a tiny fraction of a much much larger problem.</p>
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		By: Peter Nordberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Nordberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see.  It&#039;s not that all class actions are &quot;just like&quot; the &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; case.  It&#039;s not even that any particular class action is.  It&#039;s that you believe class actions in general -- or at least a subset of them described as &quot;the abusive class actions documented at Point of Law and Overlawyered&quot; -- to satisfy certain extremely broad and subjective descriptions also satisfied by &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt;, or to feature certain tactics also employed in &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt;.

It sounds then, as though &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; is of only the most tangential relevance to them.  Maybe &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; would be a footnote to some carried-to-its-logical-extreme  argument that might be made within a broader analysis of minimum statutory damages in consumer fraud legislation.  Even then, though, the question would still arise: How typical is &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt;?

To make it typical, I suspect, you&#039;d have to move to a pretty high level of abstraction, stripping away much of the detail that makes &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; so egregious.  No complaining about a powerful administrative law judge misusing his legal knowledge to conduct an bizarre vendetta against a hardworking Korean-American family that runs a dry-cleaning establishment (because that certainly isn&#039;t typical).  No railing at the absurdity of leveraging a &quot;Satisfaction Guaranteed&quot; sign into a multi-million dollar ad damnum clause, in a situation where sane and decent human beings would have pressed, at most, for the value of the pants (because  whatever you may say, that&#039;s not typical either).  And no invoking &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; as an example of how frivolous consumer fraud cases result in enormous, frivolous verdicts (because the Chungs, of course, prevailed).

You&#039;d still have your stop-me-before-I-offer-to-settle-again argument, I suppose.  But even that much-diminished parable would seem atypical.  The $12k settlement offer in &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt;, I&#039;ll confess, is something of a bafflement to me.  It would begin to approach a plausible approximation of the discounted value of this ridiculous claim, perhaps, for a risk-neutral defendant who actually had $67 million in assets on the line.  But if the Chungs are that wealthy, it has escaped press attention.

Of course, the offer might have been driven by other rational considerations -- e.g., risk-aversion arising from fears of bankruptcy, and/or the prospect that the Chungs&#039; legal fees would continue to mount, at the margin, by as much as $12k.  But there too, the typicality of the case seems questionable.  I am certain that Christopher Manning is an excellent lawyer, who did an excellent job for the Chungs.  I&#039;m less certain that he&#039;ll sue the Chungs to collect for legal fees that reportedly &quot;may run&quot; to as much as $100k.  I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; highly confident that if this happens to the Chungs again, I could refer them to some lawyers who might be able to defend a case like this for less than $100k.

Should there be some limits or safeguards to prevent ruination of small businesses by enormous awards of minimum statutory damages out of all sane proportion to any harm inflicted, when the alleged violations seem stretched and technical at best?  Maybe so, and &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; might be germane to a potentially productive discussion of that issue.

But if treating &lt;i&gt;Pearson&lt;/i&gt; as an opportunity to hurl vague imprecations at &quot;class actions&quot; is more to people&#039;s taste, I suppose it&#039;s a free country.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see.  It&#8217;s not that all class actions are &#8220;just like&#8221; the <i>Pearson</i> case.  It&#8217;s not even that any particular class action is.  It&#8217;s that you believe class actions in general &#8212; or at least a subset of them described as &#8220;the abusive class actions documented at Point of Law and Overlawyered&#8221; &#8212; to satisfy certain extremely broad and subjective descriptions also satisfied by <i>Pearson</i>, or to feature certain tactics also employed in <i>Pearson</i>.</p>
<p>It sounds then, as though <i>Pearson</i> is of only the most tangential relevance to them.  Maybe <i>Pearson</i> would be a footnote to some carried-to-its-logical-extreme  argument that might be made within a broader analysis of minimum statutory damages in consumer fraud legislation.  Even then, though, the question would still arise: How typical is <i>Pearson</i>?</p>
<p>To make it typical, I suspect, you&#8217;d have to move to a pretty high level of abstraction, stripping away much of the detail that makes <i>Pearson</i> so egregious.  No complaining about a powerful administrative law judge misusing his legal knowledge to conduct an bizarre vendetta against a hardworking Korean-American family that runs a dry-cleaning establishment (because that certainly isn&#8217;t typical).  No railing at the absurdity of leveraging a &#8220;Satisfaction Guaranteed&#8221; sign into a multi-million dollar ad damnum clause, in a situation where sane and decent human beings would have pressed, at most, for the value of the pants (because  whatever you may say, that&#8217;s not typical either).  And no invoking <i>Pearson</i> as an example of how frivolous consumer fraud cases result in enormous, frivolous verdicts (because the Chungs, of course, prevailed).</p>
<p>You&#8217;d still have your stop-me-before-I-offer-to-settle-again argument, I suppose.  But even that much-diminished parable would seem atypical.  The $12k settlement offer in <i>Pearson</i>, I&#8217;ll confess, is something of a bafflement to me.  It would begin to approach a plausible approximation of the discounted value of this ridiculous claim, perhaps, for a risk-neutral defendant who actually had $67 million in assets on the line.  But if the Chungs are that wealthy, it has escaped press attention.</p>
<p>Of course, the offer might have been driven by other rational considerations &#8212; e.g., risk-aversion arising from fears of bankruptcy, and/or the prospect that the Chungs&#8217; legal fees would continue to mount, at the margin, by as much as $12k.  But there too, the typicality of the case seems questionable.  I am certain that Christopher Manning is an excellent lawyer, who did an excellent job for the Chungs.  I&#8217;m less certain that he&#8217;ll sue the Chungs to collect for legal fees that reportedly &#8220;may run&#8221; to as much as $100k.  I <i>am</i> highly confident that if this happens to the Chungs again, I could refer them to some lawyers who might be able to defend a case like this for less than $100k.</p>
<p>Should there be some limits or safeguards to prevent ruination of small businesses by enormous awards of minimum statutory damages out of all sane proportion to any harm inflicted, when the alleged violations seem stretched and technical at best?  Maybe so, and <i>Pearson</i> might be germane to a potentially productive discussion of that issue.</p>
<p>But if treating <i>Pearson</i> as an opportunity to hurl vague imprecations at &#8220;class actions&#8221; is more to people&#8217;s taste, I suppose it&#8217;s a free country.</p>
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		By: Ted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The abusive class actions documented in Point of Law and Overlawyered share with Pearson&#039;s case (1) the ability to force unjust settlement offers through &lt;i&gt;in terrorem&lt;/i&gt; litigation tactics and/or (2) demands for damages divorced from economic reality and/or moral culpability, sometimes without even a lost pair of pants to justify the action.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The abusive class actions documented in Point of Law and Overlawyered share with Pearson&#8217;s case (1) the ability to force unjust settlement offers through <i>in terrorem</i> litigation tactics and/or (2) demands for damages divorced from economic reality and/or moral culpability, sometimes without even a lost pair of pants to justify the action.</p>
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		By: Peter Nordberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Nordberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have followed the links, and now I&#039;m confused.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pointoflaw.com/classactions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;All class actions&lt;/a&gt; are &quot;just like&quot; a suit seeking $67 million from a small laundry over an allegedly missing pair of pants?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have followed the links, and now I&#8217;m confused.  <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/classactions/" rel="nofollow">All class actions</a> are &#8220;just like&#8221; a suit seeking $67 million from a small laundry over an allegedly missing pair of pants?</p>
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		By: NAC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NAC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is NO justification for what Pearson did, other than his own egotistical delusions. Is there any word on whether he will actually be removed from the bench? I&#039;m hopeful, but that hope is tainted with the knowledge that the American tort system is generally farked. I do live in Canada, so this doesn&#039;t even affect me directly, but we seem to be slowly inheriting an American-style tort system.  Which is bad.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is NO justification for what Pearson did, other than his own egotistical delusions. Is there any word on whether he will actually be removed from the bench? I&#8217;m hopeful, but that hope is tainted with the knowledge that the American tort system is generally farked. I do live in Canada, so this doesn&#8217;t even affect me directly, but we seem to be slowly inheriting an American-style tort system.  Which is bad.</p>
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