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		By: TJIC		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/06/nastygram-over-renting-out-dvds/comment-page-1/#comment-7746</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJIC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, this is Travis Corcoran.

I can tell you, based on my extensive investigation, my copyright attorney, and my firm&#039;s membership in the tradegroup VSDA / EMA, that (a) under the first sale doctrine, renting out legally purchased videos is entirely legal; (b) there is no licensing issue involved.

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I&#039;d find it hard to believe that suddenly the movie distributors and video rental establishments developed mutual hostilities.
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Indeed, we find the few negative interactions we have with vendors to be puzzling as well.  The last 30 years clearly shows that a robust rental market is mutually beneficial for both video rental firms, and for content owners.  The few vendors we&#039;ve come across who are unhappy with a video rental aftermarket are typically smaller players, less well versed in the economics of the video rental business (and business generally).

In related news, after this post in Overlawyered, I received another email from Mr. Tourtelot:

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Dear Mr. Corcoran: How long do you believe you are going to be able to keep your past from the public, especially, your customers? Yopur life is about to unravel. Cheers!
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Amazing.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, this is Travis Corcoran.</p>
<p>I can tell you, based on my extensive investigation, my copyright attorney, and my firm&#8217;s membership in the tradegroup VSDA / EMA, that (a) under the first sale doctrine, renting out legally purchased videos is entirely legal; (b) there is no licensing issue involved.</p>
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I&#8217;d find it hard to believe that suddenly the movie distributors and video rental establishments developed mutual hostilities.
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<p>Indeed, we find the few negative interactions we have with vendors to be puzzling as well.  The last 30 years clearly shows that a robust rental market is mutually beneficial for both video rental firms, and for content owners.  The few vendors we&#8217;ve come across who are unhappy with a video rental aftermarket are typically smaller players, less well versed in the economics of the video rental business (and business generally).</p>
<p>In related news, after this post in Overlawyered, I received another email from Mr. Tourtelot:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Dear Mr. Corcoran: How long do you believe you are going to be able to keep your past from the public, especially, your customers? Yopur life is about to unravel. Cheers!
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<p>Amazing.</p>
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		By: LAN3		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LAN3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The original business model of rentable movies (this was back in the videotape days, extending into the mid-to-late 1980s) was that the video tapes would be released initially at what might be considered prohibitive prices, say between $90 and $140/movie, and then the price would drop after a couple of weeks as the competitive renting of the brand-new release was reduced by the other, newer releases.

I recall that it was a revelation when 1986&#039;s &quot;Top Gun&quot; was released at an affordable $19.99 right out of the gate; that might&#039;ve been one of the first affordable movies at first release.  (Of course, VCR ownership (instead of renting) might&#039;ve hit some saturation point where the price had to come down).

I even worked for a video rental store, and it was not a major chain store, yet it received advanced video screeners (kept a nice library for employees in the back) because of all the business they would give in return.  I don&#039;t know exactly how things are changed in the world of uniformly affordable DVDs, but I&#039;d find it hard to believe that suddenly the movie distributors and video rental establishments developed mutual hostilities.

As for copying movies, the store did some off-the-record copying of movies for the aforementioned library, but we had no reason to copy movies as part of regular business practice, except, I think, to repair physically damaged movies that weren&#039;t easily replaced through purchasing channels -- placing a new video-tape into the movie&#039;s original cassette was the method, IIRC.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original business model of rentable movies (this was back in the videotape days, extending into the mid-to-late 1980s) was that the video tapes would be released initially at what might be considered prohibitive prices, say between $90 and $140/movie, and then the price would drop after a couple of weeks as the competitive renting of the brand-new release was reduced by the other, newer releases.</p>
<p>I recall that it was a revelation when 1986&#8217;s &#8220;Top Gun&#8221; was released at an affordable $19.99 right out of the gate; that might&#8217;ve been one of the first affordable movies at first release.  (Of course, VCR ownership (instead of renting) might&#8217;ve hit some saturation point where the price had to come down).</p>
<p>I even worked for a video rental store, and it was not a major chain store, yet it received advanced video screeners (kept a nice library for employees in the back) because of all the business they would give in return.  I don&#8217;t know exactly how things are changed in the world of uniformly affordable DVDs, but I&#8217;d find it hard to believe that suddenly the movie distributors and video rental establishments developed mutual hostilities.</p>
<p>As for copying movies, the store did some off-the-record copying of movies for the aforementioned library, but we had no reason to copy movies as part of regular business practice, except, I think, to repair physically damaged movies that weren&#8217;t easily replaced through purchasing channels &#8212; placing a new video-tape into the movie&#8217;s original cassette was the method, IIRC.</p>
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		By: David Schwartz		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/06/nastygram-over-renting-out-dvds/comment-page-1/#comment-7744</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Schwartz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If those licenses could prohibit rental, one wonders why we needed a special law to  restrict software rental.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If those licenses could prohibit rental, one wonders why we needed a special law to  restrict software rental.</p>
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		By: Ima Fish		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/06/nastygram-over-renting-out-dvds/comment-page-1/#comment-7743</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ima Fish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Brian, but this is the first time I&#039;ve ever heard that my local Blockbuster gets to copy movies.

Seriously, the major rental companies don&#039;t even buy movies, the studios give them knowing they&#039;ll get a cut of the rental.

I think Travis Corcoran is correct that there is no specific law forbidding the leasing of a dvd, but there would be licensing issues.  Every DVD I&#039;ve ever seen has legalese limiting it for noncommercial uses.  Whether such licensing is binding, I have no idea.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brian, but this is the first time I&#8217;ve ever heard that my local Blockbuster gets to copy movies.</p>
<p>Seriously, the major rental companies don&#8217;t even buy movies, the studios give them knowing they&#8217;ll get a cut of the rental.</p>
<p>I think Travis Corcoran is correct that there is no specific law forbidding the leasing of a dvd, but there would be licensing issues.  Every DVD I&#8217;ve ever seen has legalese limiting it for noncommercial uses.  Whether such licensing is binding, I have no idea.</p>
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		By: Brian P.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To Ima:

I’ll bet that Blockbuster and the like are paying licensing fees for the privilege of copying the DVDs rather than buying a ton of individual copies and renting them, which is probably more cost efficient if you have a large customer base.  I certainly sympathize with Mr. Corcoran.  He seems to be in the right and his post is beyond hilarious, but I wonder whether, after all this, he will be able to negotiate a licensing deal if his business grows to the point that it becomes the right business decision.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ima:</p>
<p>I’ll bet that Blockbuster and the like are paying licensing fees for the privilege of copying the DVDs rather than buying a ton of individual copies and renting them, which is probably more cost efficient if you have a large customer base.  I certainly sympathize with Mr. Corcoran.  He seems to be in the right and his post is beyond hilarious, but I wonder whether, after all this, he will be able to negotiate a licensing deal if his business grows to the point that it becomes the right business decision.</p>
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		By: Ima Fish		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/06/nastygram-over-renting-out-dvds/comment-page-1/#comment-7741</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ima Fish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know Blockbuster, Netflix, etc, pays licensing fees to the movie studios for their rentals.  I wonder why DVD rental companies would pay those fees if they didn&#039;t have to.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Blockbuster, Netflix, etc, pays licensing fees to the movie studios for their rentals.  I wonder why DVD rental companies would pay those fees if they didn&#8217;t have to.</p>
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