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		By: markm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[markm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Well, here&#039;s the Treaty: You see the clause guaranteeing the inalienable right to &quot;long-standing, culturally bound and significant activities&quot;?&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe &quot;the title and rights of Mexican citizens&quot;, as guaranteed in article 8, includes the right to cockfighting. In that case, all they need is to file the case in the name of a Mexican living in the region transferred to the USA by this treaty, who explicitly chose to remain a Mexican citizen rather than becoming a USA citizen within one year but stay in the USA.

The catch? That Mexican citizen would have to have be at least 159 years old and still living in New Mexico.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, here&#8217;s the Treaty: You see the clause guaranteeing the inalienable right to &#8220;long-standing, culturally bound and significant activities&#8221;?</i></p>
<p>Maybe &#8220;the title and rights of Mexican citizens&#8221;, as guaranteed in article 8, includes the right to cockfighting. In that case, all they need is to file the case in the name of a Mexican living in the region transferred to the USA by this treaty, who explicitly chose to remain a Mexican citizen rather than becoming a USA citizen within one year but stay in the USA.</p>
<p>The catch? That Mexican citizen would have to have be at least 159 years old and still living in New Mexico.</p>
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		By: Todd Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...&lt;i&gt;Little Jerry Seinfeld&lt;/i&gt; would tear those ice picks off in a heart-beat.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<i>Little Jerry Seinfeld</i> would tear those ice picks off in a heart-beat.</p>
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		By: Ron Coleman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Coleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, Mike, maybe they would use ice picks, but not ice axes, that&#039;s for sure!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Mike, maybe they would use ice picks, but not ice axes, that&#8217;s for sure!</p>
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		By: MikeM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walter, I can&#039;t say for certain, but I would think that wild cocks would fight each other, like any other male bird, but not to the point of death. And they certainly wouldn&#039;t strap on metal barbs.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, I can&#8217;t say for certain, but I would think that wild cocks would fight each other, like any other male bird, but not to the point of death. And they certainly wouldn&#8217;t strap on metal barbs.</p>
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		By: Walter E. Wallis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter E. Wallis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anyone know what cocks do to one another in the wild?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know what cocks do to one another in the wild?</p>
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		By: Kent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve lived in New Mexico most of my life. I&#039;m proud of my state, in a my-family-may-be-twisted-but-they&#039;re-&lt;i&gt;my-family&lt;/i&gt; kind of way.

I am appalled by the thought that cockfighting is part of my &quot;cultural heritage.&quot;

But -- and this is not to excuse the cockfighting, merely to explain why this argument has any traction at all -- the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo has scriptural status with much of the community here. Regardless of what it actually says.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in New Mexico most of my life. I&#8217;m proud of my state, in a my-family-may-be-twisted-but-they&#8217;re-<i>my-family</i> kind of way.</p>
<p>I am appalled by the thought that cockfighting is part of my &#8220;cultural heritage.&#8221;</p>
<p>But &#8212; and this is not to excuse the cockfighting, merely to explain why this argument has any traction at all &#8212; the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo has scriptural status with much of the community here. Regardless of what it actually says.</p>
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		By: Ron Coleman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Coleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, Barry, you take a &quot;literary&quot; device stretched to, if not beyond, all reasonable limits -- and then demand accuracy, as well?

Icy your point, however.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Barry, you take a &#8220;literary&#8221; device stretched to, if not beyond, all reasonable limits &#8212; and then demand accuracy, as well?</p>
<p>Icy your point, however.</p>
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		By: Barry Nordin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Nordin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Ron, but your allusion to &quot;ice pick&quot; combined with &quot;Bolsheviks,&quot; undoubtedly referring to Trotsky&#039;s murder, is incorrect. The implement was acutally an &quot;ice axe&quot;, which is totally different from a pick and a lot more lethal.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Ron, but your allusion to &#8220;ice pick&#8221; combined with &#8220;Bolsheviks,&#8221; undoubtedly referring to Trotsky&#8217;s murder, is incorrect. The implement was acutally an &#8220;ice axe&#8221;, which is totally different from a pick and a lot more lethal.</p>
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		By: Ron Coleman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Coleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, Frank, there is an argument to be made as to any given point on the spectrum between treating animals at least as well as humans (PETA) and like inanimate stuff.

This post isn&#039;t about them, however.  Though it is self-evident to me that the plaintiffs in this case are  at a point on that spectrum that is not morally justifiable, the point here is not whether or not the policy enacted by the legislature, forbidding cockfighting, is the correct one.  It is, rather, that it is a &lt;b&gt;legislative&lt;/b&gt; one.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Frank, there is an argument to be made as to any given point on the spectrum between treating animals at least as well as humans (PETA) and like inanimate stuff.</p>
<p>This post isn&#8217;t about them, however.  Though it is self-evident to me that the plaintiffs in this case are  at a point on that spectrum that is not morally justifiable, the point here is not whether or not the policy enacted by the legislature, forbidding cockfighting, is the correct one.  It is, rather, that it is a <b>legislative</b> one.</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s right.

Once we get rid of cockfighting and bullfighting, we can stop dog racing, horse racing, pig racing and pigeon racing.

In fact, after we close down all the factory farms and ban meat-eating, we can finally get around to  prohibiting private ownership of animals - oh, I&#039;m sorry, I mean non-human peer species.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>Once we get rid of cockfighting and bullfighting, we can stop dog racing, horse racing, pig racing and pigeon racing.</p>
<p>In fact, after we close down all the factory farms and ban meat-eating, we can finally get around to  prohibiting private ownership of animals &#8211; oh, I&#8217;m sorry, I mean non-human peer species.</p>
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