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		By: duaneage		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/11/employment-non-discrimination-act/comment-page-1/#comment-9583</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[duaneage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more reason to move a company and jobs overseas, where such laws do not exist. Way to go.

So if the ax comes to a department, who will lose their jobs first?

maybe if sexual preferences were kept private there would be no discrimination, no?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more reason to move a company and jobs overseas, where such laws do not exist. Way to go.</p>
<p>So if the ax comes to a department, who will lose their jobs first?</p>
<p>maybe if sexual preferences were kept private there would be no discrimination, no?</p>
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		By: Mark Seecof		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/11/employment-non-discrimination-act/comment-page-1/#comment-9582</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Seecof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Look at ENDA from an economic point of view.

ENDA would not make gays or lesbians any more &lt;i&gt;productive&lt;/i&gt;
for employers.

However, ENDA would make gays and lesbians more &lt;i&gt;costly&lt;/i&gt;
for employers.  Under ENDA any disgruntled gay or lesbian
employee could sue for sexual-orientation- discrimination,
and (if even one fellow employee ever listened to talk radio
during his lunch break) make, &lt;i&gt;e.g.&lt;/i&gt;, a hostile-
environment claim that would withstand a motion to dismiss.
The minute plaintiff commenced discovery the employer would
suffer much economic harm.  He would often choose to settle
to save the costs of discovery and trial regardless of the
merits.

(Of course only some gays or lesbians would ever sue under
ENDA, but employers could not predict in advance which of
them would do so.  Employers would impute a statistical
share of ENDA lawsuit costs to each ENDA-protectee.  That
is, suppose an normal employee costs $100K/year in wages,
benefits, payroll taxes, and general risks to produce
$120K/year of economic output.  Suppose further than just
1 out of 1000 ENDA-protected employees files a lawsuit every
year, but each lawsuit costs $1M.  That means the average
ENDA-protected employee costs $101K to produce the same
output as a normal employee costing $100K.  For each ENDA-
protected employee, the employer&#039;s surplus would drop from
$20K to $19K, a &lt;i&gt;five percent decrease&lt;/i&gt; at the bottom
line!  Though these numbers are purely for illustration,
this really is the way employers reason.  Indeed, many
managers will reason well past that point, even if the
numbers are less dire than in our example:  many managers
will think &quot;a single ENDA lawsuit might cost the firm $X,
but if I were named it would cost me personally my next
promotion or even my job.  So while the CEO requires me
to hire a quota of ENDA-protectees (to avert EEOC action
which might cost many millions), I am sure as heck not
going to hire any extra ones.&quot;)

Normally employers avoid hiring people who are more costly
without being more productive.  But under ENDA, employers
would be liable for defensive, purely economic
discrimination against gays and lesbians just as if they
were actually sexual-orientation bigots.

So here&#039;s what would happen:  the EEOC would establish
ENDA enforcement criteria, including a statistical test
to establish prima-facie cases of discrimination.
Employers would hire a quota of ENDA-protectees to meet
the statistical test (to avert EEOC action and strengthen
their defense against private actions).  Employers would
avoid hiring &lt;i&gt;above&lt;/i&gt; that quota, because ENDA-
protectees are less valuable (net of equal productivity
with greater cost) than similarly-qualified candidates
without ENDA privileges.

That is how ENDA can bestow privileges yet harm protected-
persons&#039; job prospects.  First GLB(T) applicant at a
30-employee firm?  Oh frabjous day!  We&#039;ve been praying
you would show up.  You&#039;re hired!  (Ed, fax the EEOC and
tell them we&#039;ve finally achieved statistical compliance!)
Second GLB(T) applicant?  Oh, well, several people applied
for this post.  The interviewers didn&#039;t feel you were a
perfect fit for our team.  Why don&#039;t you try the firm
down the street...

(Note that people who might be covered by ENDA couldn&#039;t
avoid ENDA&#039;s negative effect on their employability.
ENDA won&#039;t permit them to waive their right to sue, and
individuals cannot waive EEOC enforcement powers.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at ENDA from an economic point of view.</p>
<p>ENDA would not make gays or lesbians any more <i>productive</i><br />
for employers.</p>
<p>However, ENDA would make gays and lesbians more <i>costly</i><br />
for employers.  Under ENDA any disgruntled gay or lesbian<br />
employee could sue for sexual-orientation- discrimination,<br />
and (if even one fellow employee ever listened to talk radio<br />
during his lunch break) make, <i>e.g.</i>, a hostile-<br />
environment claim that would withstand a motion to dismiss.<br />
The minute plaintiff commenced discovery the employer would<br />
suffer much economic harm.  He would often choose to settle<br />
to save the costs of discovery and trial regardless of the<br />
merits.</p>
<p>(Of course only some gays or lesbians would ever sue under<br />
ENDA, but employers could not predict in advance which of<br />
them would do so.  Employers would impute a statistical<br />
share of ENDA lawsuit costs to each ENDA-protectee.  That<br />
is, suppose an normal employee costs $100K/year in wages,<br />
benefits, payroll taxes, and general risks to produce<br />
$120K/year of economic output.  Suppose further than just<br />
1 out of 1000 ENDA-protected employees files a lawsuit every<br />
year, but each lawsuit costs $1M.  That means the average<br />
ENDA-protected employee costs $101K to produce the same<br />
output as a normal employee costing $100K.  For each ENDA-<br />
protected employee, the employer&#8217;s surplus would drop from<br />
$20K to $19K, a <i>five percent decrease</i> at the bottom<br />
line!  Though these numbers are purely for illustration,<br />
this really is the way employers reason.  Indeed, many<br />
managers will reason well past that point, even if the<br />
numbers are less dire than in our example:  many managers<br />
will think &#8220;a single ENDA lawsuit might cost the firm $X,<br />
but if I were named it would cost me personally my next<br />
promotion or even my job.  So while the CEO requires me<br />
to hire a quota of ENDA-protectees (to avert EEOC action<br />
which might cost many millions), I am sure as heck not<br />
going to hire any extra ones.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Normally employers avoid hiring people who are more costly<br />
without being more productive.  But under ENDA, employers<br />
would be liable for defensive, purely economic<br />
discrimination against gays and lesbians just as if they<br />
were actually sexual-orientation bigots.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s what would happen:  the EEOC would establish<br />
ENDA enforcement criteria, including a statistical test<br />
to establish prima-facie cases of discrimination.<br />
Employers would hire a quota of ENDA-protectees to meet<br />
the statistical test (to avert EEOC action and strengthen<br />
their defense against private actions).  Employers would<br />
avoid hiring <i>above</i> that quota, because ENDA-<br />
protectees are less valuable (net of equal productivity<br />
with greater cost) than similarly-qualified candidates<br />
without ENDA privileges.</p>
<p>That is how ENDA can bestow privileges yet harm protected-<br />
persons&#8217; job prospects.  First GLB(T) applicant at a<br />
30-employee firm?  Oh frabjous day!  We&#8217;ve been praying<br />
you would show up.  You&#8217;re hired!  (Ed, fax the EEOC and<br />
tell them we&#8217;ve finally achieved statistical compliance!)<br />
Second GLB(T) applicant?  Oh, well, several people applied<br />
for this post.  The interviewers didn&#8217;t feel you were a<br />
perfect fit for our team.  Why don&#8217;t you try the firm<br />
down the street&#8230;</p>
<p>(Note that people who might be covered by ENDA couldn&#8217;t<br />
avoid ENDA&#8217;s negative effect on their employability.<br />
ENDA won&#8217;t permit them to waive their right to sue, and<br />
individuals cannot waive EEOC enforcement powers.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/11/employment-non-discrimination-act/comment-page-1/#comment-9581</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I oppose ENDA on several grounds, but then, I oppose the federal government (or any government) telling private business who they can or can&#039;t hire to begin with (pretty obvios Constitutional violations, IMO), so I oppose most of the laws resulting from the Civil Rights era.

Racism is certainly repugnant, just as many people think of those who are bigoted against homosexuals (is there a good word for that?  &quot;sexist&quot; is already taken), and incidentally, just as many people of homosexuality.  But, in all of those cases, th government is a bad solution.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I oppose ENDA on several grounds, but then, I oppose the federal government (or any government) telling private business who they can or can&#8217;t hire to begin with (pretty obvios Constitutional violations, IMO), so I oppose most of the laws resulting from the Civil Rights era.</p>
<p>Racism is certainly repugnant, just as many people think of those who are bigoted against homosexuals (is there a good word for that?  &#8220;sexist&#8221; is already taken), and incidentally, just as many people of homosexuality.  But, in all of those cases, th government is a bad solution.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/11/employment-non-discrimination-act/comment-page-1/#comment-9580</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that this would be a perfect place to apply the &quot;Don&#039;t Ask, Don&#039;t Tell&quot; policy that was dumped on the US military in the 1990&#039;s.  How in the heck is an employer supposed to know the sexual orientation of an applicant?  It isn&#039;t like there is a sign hanging around someone&#039;s neck saying &quot;I&#039;m gay!&quot;.  Oh wait, these days there might just be.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that this would be a perfect place to apply the &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell&#8221; policy that was dumped on the US military in the 1990&#8217;s.  How in the heck is an employer supposed to know the sexual orientation of an applicant?  It isn&#8217;t like there is a sign hanging around someone&#8217;s neck saying &#8220;I&#8217;m gay!&#8221;.  Oh wait, these days there might just be.</p>
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		By: Supremacy Claus		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/11/employment-non-discrimination-act/comment-page-1/#comment-9579</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supremacy Claus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[

Homosexuals have lower unemployment rates. Their salaries are a full standard deviation above the mean, according to the Census. This remedy is one to no harm.

It is a lawyer employment law. Now, when an employer sees a homosexual applying for a job, he will no longer see an above average employee. He will see a lawsuit on wheels, and move on.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homosexuals have lower unemployment rates. Their salaries are a full standard deviation above the mean, according to the Census. This remedy is one to no harm.</p>
<p>It is a lawyer employment law. Now, when an employer sees a homosexual applying for a job, he will no longer see an above average employee. He will see a lawsuit on wheels, and move on.</p>
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