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	Comments on: Cross median into bus&#8217;s path, it&#8217;s bus owner&#8217;s fault	</title>
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		By: Claims Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claims Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Indeed, joint and several liability is a &quot;ridiculous thing.&quot; At least the legislature in Oklahoma thought so, but the governor vetoed joint and several reform there in &#039;07.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, joint and several liability is a &#8220;ridiculous thing.&#8221; At least the legislature in Oklahoma thought so, but the governor vetoed joint and several reform there in &#8217;07.</p>
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		By: Mr. Liberal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Liberal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Unless P could prove with certainty that with better brakes the bus could have avoided the accident, there should have been absolutely no recovery from the bus company.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Silly me. I thought the standard was preponderance of the evidence in civil cases.

If the bus had not properly maintained its brakes and properly trained its driver, and if such maintenance and training would have prevented this fatal collision, then yes, the bus company should be held liable for not providing maintenance for the bus and training for the driver.

One of the reasons that reasonable people make sure that their brakes are properly maintained is to avoid unusual occurrences on the road not initially caused by them.

One strange thing. People seem to think that just because X is negligent, Y cannot also be negligent.

That is, frankly, a stupid view.

The bus companies of the world should be aware that occasionally other vehicles end up in locations they are not ideally supposed to be. In this case, because a third party forced it to be there. And they should maintain their brakes and train their drivers to save lives in those sorts of situations.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unless P could prove with certainty that with better brakes the bus could have avoided the accident, there should have been absolutely no recovery from the bus company.</p></blockquote>
<p>Silly me. I thought the standard was preponderance of the evidence in civil cases.</p>
<p>If the bus had not properly maintained its brakes and properly trained its driver, and if such maintenance and training would have prevented this fatal collision, then yes, the bus company should be held liable for not providing maintenance for the bus and training for the driver.</p>
<p>One of the reasons that reasonable people make sure that their brakes are properly maintained is to avoid unusual occurrences on the road not initially caused by them.</p>
<p>One strange thing. People seem to think that just because X is negligent, Y cannot also be negligent.</p>
<p>That is, frankly, a stupid view.</p>
<p>The bus companies of the world should be aware that occasionally other vehicles end up in locations they are not ideally supposed to be. In this case, because a third party forced it to be there. And they should maintain their brakes and train their drivers to save lives in those sorts of situations.</p>
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		By: Bob Neal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Neal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unless P could prove with certainty that with better brakes the bus could have avoided the accident, there should have been absolutely no recovery from the bus company.  The bus was driving as designed, on the highway, until P&#039;s truck came flying across the median.  Is that the bus company&#039;s fault?  Of course not.  But heck, in the world of jackpot justice in this country, juries don&#039;t care.  Get past summary judgment and P&#039;s can count on collecting more often than not.  It&#039;s truly sad what our system encourages.  And I&#039;m a lawyer - though I&#039;m more and more troubled in admitting so.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless P could prove with certainty that with better brakes the bus could have avoided the accident, there should have been absolutely no recovery from the bus company.  The bus was driving as designed, on the highway, until P&#8217;s truck came flying across the median.  Is that the bus company&#8217;s fault?  Of course not.  But heck, in the world of jackpot justice in this country, juries don&#8217;t care.  Get past summary judgment and P&#8217;s can count on collecting more often than not.  It&#8217;s truly sad what our system encourages.  And I&#8217;m a lawyer &#8211; though I&#8217;m more and more troubled in admitting so.</p>
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		By: waggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the bus driver was not trained, licensed and not to mention the bus had bad breakes. The owner knew that the bus had break problems months before the accident.

are they to blame? in part. the bus and the driver should never have been on the road. but i do not feel they should be liable for all of it. the driver that bumped the vehicle and the bus should share 50-50.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the bus driver was not trained, licensed and not to mention the bus had bad breakes. The owner knew that the bus had break problems months before the accident.</p>
<p>are they to blame? in part. the bus and the driver should never have been on the road. but i do not feel they should be liable for all of it. the driver that bumped the vehicle and the bus should share 50-50.</p>
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		By: Todd Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I beg to differ, Throck.  I&#039;m certain if you were to ask the plaintiff&#039;s counsel they would be more than happy to set you straight on your assertion.  It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;NOT&lt;/i&gt; about the money.  Is it ever?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ, Throck.  I&#8217;m certain if you were to ask the plaintiff&#8217;s counsel they would be more than happy to set you straight on your assertion.  It&#8217;s <i>NOT</i> about the money.  Is it ever?</p>
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		By: Anonymous Attorney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the jury just took pity on the poverty-stricken status of the plaintiffs here.

Seriously, &quot;brake problem&quot; and &quot;improper driver training,&quot; like everything else in the plaintiff grab-bag, can be spun from nothing with the right &quot;expert&quot; to opine that things should have been done differently. I wonder if the whole seamy world of &quot;experts&quot; in court needs legislative reform, and that includes doctors, for both plaintiff and defendant side.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the jury just took pity on the poverty-stricken status of the plaintiffs here.</p>
<p>Seriously, &#8220;brake problem&#8221; and &#8220;improper driver training,&#8221; like everything else in the plaintiff grab-bag, can be spun from nothing with the right &#8220;expert&#8221; to opine that things should have been done differently. I wonder if the whole seamy world of &#8220;experts&#8221; in court needs legislative reform, and that includes doctors, for both plaintiff and defendant side.</p>
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		By: Joe Bingham		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/12/cross-median-into-buss-path-its-bus-owners-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-10020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Bingham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Um, if that was their only goal, they coulda sued the guy who bumped him, instead of the rich company he careened into.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, if that was their only goal, they coulda sued the guy who bumped him, instead of the rich company he careened into.</p>
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		By: SPO		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/12/cross-median-into-buss-path-its-bus-owners-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-10019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SPO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is one of those hard cases.  From the news reports, it appears that there were problems with the brakes.  Was that a cause in fact?  Who knows?

Seems to me that the bus driver should never have been found to be negligent/poorly trained.  Doesn&#039;t Oklahoma have a form of the sudden emergency doctrine?  No matter how well trained someone is, dealing with a car crossing the median probably isn&#039;t affected by how well trained someone is.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of those hard cases.  From the news reports, it appears that there were problems with the brakes.  Was that a cause in fact?  Who knows?</p>
<p>Seems to me that the bus driver should never have been found to be negligent/poorly trained.  Doesn&#8217;t Oklahoma have a form of the sudden emergency doctrine?  No matter how well trained someone is, dealing with a car crossing the median probably isn&#8217;t affected by how well trained someone is.</p>
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		By: kat		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2007/12/cross-median-into-buss-path-its-bus-owners-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-10018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So the bus driver couldn&#039;t brake fast enough, but the decedent didn&#039;t get any fault for not maintaining or regaining control when his vehicle was &quot;bumped.&quot;  Does anyone know how wide the median was?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the bus driver couldn&#8217;t brake fast enough, but the decedent didn&#8217;t get any fault for not maintaining or regaining control when his vehicle was &#8220;bumped.&#8221;  Does anyone know how wide the median was?</p>
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		By: throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This &quot;joint but severable&quot; thing is riduculous.  This case shows that it is all about the money.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;joint but severable&#8221; thing is riduculous.  This case shows that it is all about the money.</p>
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