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	Comments on: Nanny state, Virginia 1934 edition	</title>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Come now, Deoxy. Legislators don&#039;t write laws just for the heck of it - they have some rationale in mind, however misguided it may be.&quot;

Um, it makes the guys giving me money happy?  That seems to be the reason for passing many laws, but I&#039;d hardly call that a &quot;rationale&quot;!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Come now, Deoxy. Legislators don&#8217;t write laws just for the heck of it &#8211; they have some rationale in mind, however misguided it may be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, it makes the guys giving me money happy?  That seems to be the reason for passing many laws, but I&#8217;d hardly call that a &#8220;rationale&#8221;!</p>
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		By: Richard Belzer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Belzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Virginia Code prohibits BYOB. Also it requires restaurants to purchase wine from a wholesaler. Wholesalers run monopolies for the brands they carry, which may explain why wine in Virginia restaurants is so damned expensive.

§ 4.1-315. Possession without license to sell alcoholic beverages upon premises of restaurant; exceptions; penalty.

A. No alcoholic beverages shall be kept or allowed to be kept upon any premises or upon the person of any proprietor or person employed upon the premises of a restaurant or other place where food or refreshments of any kind are furnished for compensation, except such alcoholic beverages as such person owning or operating such place of business is licensed to purchase and to sell at such place of business.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-315&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-315&lt;/a&gt;

§ 4.1-326. Sale of; purchase for resale; wine or beer from a person without a license; penalty.

No licensee, other than a common carrier operating in interstate or foreign commerce, licensed to sell wine or beer at retail shall purchase for resale or sell any wine or beer purchased from anyone other than a wholesale wine, farm winery, brewery, bottler&#039;s or wholesale beer licensee.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-326&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-326&lt;/a&gt;

These citations were provided by a helpful Virginia ABC law enforcement officer in response to my email query.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia Code prohibits BYOB. Also it requires restaurants to purchase wine from a wholesaler. Wholesalers run monopolies for the brands they carry, which may explain why wine in Virginia restaurants is so damned expensive.</p>
<p>§ 4.1-315. Possession without license to sell alcoholic beverages upon premises of restaurant; exceptions; penalty.</p>
<p>A. No alcoholic beverages shall be kept or allowed to be kept upon any premises or upon the person of any proprietor or person employed upon the premises of a restaurant or other place where food or refreshments of any kind are furnished for compensation, except such alcoholic beverages as such person owning or operating such place of business is licensed to purchase and to sell at such place of business.</p>
<p><a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-315" rel="nofollow">http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-315</a></p>
<p>§ 4.1-326. Sale of; purchase for resale; wine or beer from a person without a license; penalty.</p>
<p>No licensee, other than a common carrier operating in interstate or foreign commerce, licensed to sell wine or beer at retail shall purchase for resale or sell any wine or beer purchased from anyone other than a wholesale wine, farm winery, brewery, bottler&#8217;s or wholesale beer licensee.</p>
<p><a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-326" rel="nofollow">http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+4.1-326</a></p>
<p>These citations were provided by a helpful Virginia ABC law enforcement officer in response to my email query.</p>
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		By: Joseph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I remember correctly, Virginia&#039;s procedures prevent bringing class actions on behalf of plaintiffs who have not opted in to the class.  Hence it is difficult to bring class actions in Virginia.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, Virginia&#8217;s procedures prevent bringing class actions on behalf of plaintiffs who have not opted in to the class.  Hence it is difficult to bring class actions in Virginia.</p>
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		By: Richard Belzer		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/01/nanny-state-virginia-1934-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-10444</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Belzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Virginia code section is in Licensee Bulletin 56.1, paragraph 17:

17. Serving: Do not mix beer with wine or spirits. No more than two (2) spirits drinks may be served to a patron at a time.

See the PDF at

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.virginia.gov/licensing/bulletins/VOL56-NO1.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.abc.virginia.gov/licensing/bulletins/VOL56-NO1.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

A bill was introduced in January to make sangria legal. See:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?081+ful+HB1269&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?081+ful+HB1269&lt;/a&gt;

The bill retains the existing definition in Virginia law of &quot;wine&quot;, which includes port and sherry but not brandy:

&quot;Wine&quot; means any alcoholic beverage obtained by the fermentation of the natural sugar content of fruits or other agricultural products containing (i) sugar, including honey and milk, either with or without additional sugar; (ii) one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume; and (iii) no product of distillation. The term includes any wine to which wine spirits have been added, as provided in the Internal Revenue Code, to make products commonly known as &quot;fortified wine&quot; which do not exceed an alcohol content of 21 percent by volume.

Vermouth is complicated because it is both a wine and a spirit, and in any case, it simply best avoided  in the interest of good taste.

A more pressing alcohol regulation question in Virginia is whether it is permissible for a restaurant to allow patrons to bring their own wine, to be opened by the restaurant subject to a corking fee. Virginia regulations seem to be silent on the matter, but I have yet to find a restaurant either willing to allow BYOB wine or able to clearly state that it is illegal. Does anyone here know the answer?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Virginia code section is in Licensee Bulletin 56.1, paragraph 17:</p>
<p>17. Serving: Do not mix beer with wine or spirits. No more than two (2) spirits drinks may be served to a patron at a time.</p>
<p>See the PDF at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.virginia.gov/licensing/bulletins/VOL56-NO1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.virginia.gov/licensing/bulletins/VOL56-NO1.pdf</a></p>
<p>A bill was introduced in January to make sangria legal. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?081+ful+HB1269" rel="nofollow">http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?081+ful+HB1269</a></p>
<p>The bill retains the existing definition in Virginia law of &#8220;wine&#8221;, which includes port and sherry but not brandy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wine&#8221; means any alcoholic beverage obtained by the fermentation of the natural sugar content of fruits or other agricultural products containing (i) sugar, including honey and milk, either with or without additional sugar; (ii) one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume; and (iii) no product of distillation. The term includes any wine to which wine spirits have been added, as provided in the Internal Revenue Code, to make products commonly known as &#8220;fortified wine&#8221; which do not exceed an alcohol content of 21 percent by volume.</p>
<p>Vermouth is complicated because it is both a wine and a spirit, and in any case, it simply best avoided  in the interest of good taste.</p>
<p>A more pressing alcohol regulation question in Virginia is whether it is permissible for a restaurant to allow patrons to bring their own wine, to be opened by the restaurant subject to a corking fee. Virginia regulations seem to be silent on the matter, but I have yet to find a restaurant either willing to allow BYOB wine or able to clearly state that it is illegal. Does anyone here know the answer?</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/01/nanny-state-virginia-1934-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-10443</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Poser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Come now, Deoxy. Legislators  don&#039;t write laws just for the heck of it - they have some rationale in mind, however misguided it may be.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come now, Deoxy. Legislators  don&#8217;t write laws just for the heck of it &#8211; they have some rationale in mind, however misguided it may be.</p>
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		By: Ted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=creme+de+cassis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crème de cassis&lt;/a&gt; is an alcoholic liqueur, and thus a spirit.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=creme+de+cassis" rel="nofollow">Crème de cassis</a> is an alcoholic liqueur, and thus a spirit.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/01/nanny-state-virginia-1934-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-10441</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is this &quot;rationale&quot; of which you speak?  I&#039;ve never heard of one being needed before...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this &#8220;rationale&#8221; of which you speak?  I&#8217;ve never heard of one being needed before&#8230;</p>
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		By: John Burgess		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Burgess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Kir Royal&lt;/i&gt; is champagne and crème de cassis, a non-alcoholic syrup made from black currants. (A &lt;i&gt;Kir&lt;/i&gt; is a dry white wine with the cassis.)

But since the whole issue is nutz, I guess a tiny mistake like that doesn&#039;t matter.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kir Royal</i> is champagne and crème de cassis, a non-alcoholic syrup made from black currants. (A <i>Kir</i> is a dry white wine with the cassis.)</p>
<p>But since the whole issue is nutz, I guess a tiny mistake like that doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/01/nanny-state-virginia-1934-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-10439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Poser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What on earth is the rationale for the ban on mixing wine and spirits?
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		By: Freddy Hill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freddy Hill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm... So are Port and Sherry wines also illegal in Virginia?  These wines are fortified with the addition of brandy or other spirits.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; So are Port and Sherry wines also illegal in Virginia?  These wines are fortified with the addition of brandy or other spirits.</p>
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