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	Comments on: $6.5 million to driver not wearing seatbelt	</title>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/65-million-to-driver-not-wearing-seatbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-10766</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ted,

I got the 80% number from a post on overlawyers.com. I wrote to Walter Olsen about it. We would never tolerate getting spoiled milk 80% of the time. That was before overlawyers.com had a comment mechanism. I tried to find the post and study, but I failed.

You suggested several alternatives to &quot;glaring stupidity&quot;. But your alternatives require a jury that does not understand its duty, especially the &quot;game show&quot;.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted,</p>
<p>I got the 80% number from a post on overlawyers.com. I wrote to Walter Olsen about it. We would never tolerate getting spoiled milk 80% of the time. That was before overlawyers.com had a comment mechanism. I tried to find the post and study, but I failed.</p>
<p>You suggested several alternatives to &#8220;glaring stupidity&#8221;. But your alternatives require a jury that does not understand its duty, especially the &#8220;game show&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Jason Barney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Nuesslein:

Many juries/jurors do get it right, when they are well-educated, disinterested and really pay attention to the proceedings.  I’ve sat parts of various jury trials here in Seattle and believe the jurors get it right most of the time.  We have pretty good jurors, who are generally skeptical of others coming to them asking for money.

I do believe some problems creep in when the judge allows or disallows certain evidence and/or crafts the jury instructions in a way to guide the jury to a nearly certain (and sometimes unjust) result.  Such shenanigans do not necessarily reflect poorly on jurors, who are obligated to consider only the facts and law introduced by the gatekeeper/judge and render their decision accordingly.

I’ve managed cases in other venues, including Southwest Texas, Bronx/Kings, NY, Saint Louis County, MO and I would agree:  you have some real knuckleheads there, and the greater public is not well-served by jury trials in those venues.  Take common sense, a sense of justness and moderation and throw it out the window.  Defendants, especially corporate defendants, simply cannot in most instances obtain just results there.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Nuesslein:</p>
<p>Many juries/jurors do get it right, when they are well-educated, disinterested and really pay attention to the proceedings.  I’ve sat parts of various jury trials here in Seattle and believe the jurors get it right most of the time.  We have pretty good jurors, who are generally skeptical of others coming to them asking for money.</p>
<p>I do believe some problems creep in when the judge allows or disallows certain evidence and/or crafts the jury instructions in a way to guide the jury to a nearly certain (and sometimes unjust) result.  Such shenanigans do not necessarily reflect poorly on jurors, who are obligated to consider only the facts and law introduced by the gatekeeper/judge and render their decision accordingly.</p>
<p>I’ve managed cases in other venues, including Southwest Texas, Bronx/Kings, NY, Saint Louis County, MO and I would agree:  you have some real knuckleheads there, and the greater public is not well-served by jury trials in those venues.  Take common sense, a sense of justness and moderation and throw it out the window.  Defendants, especially corporate defendants, simply cannot in most instances obtain just results there.</p>
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		By: Ted		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Nuesslein:

Do you have a cite for that study?  I&#039;d be interested in seeing it.  The only recent study I know of is an old Harvard study of a fairly small sample that found juries getting it right in med-mal cases at rates slightly better than a coin-flip, though Professor Baker has been critical of that study.

We don&#039;t know whether this case is one of glaring stupidity by the jury, of racially or class-based motive to transfer wealth to a local resident in one of the poorest counties in the US, or a South Texas judge slanting proceedings so that a defendant out-of-state corporation can&#039;t get a fair trial.  Without knowing more, it&#039;s also possible that Ford&#039;s attorney had a fair chance to win, but underperformed in the trial-performance game-show.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Nuesslein:</p>
<p>Do you have a cite for that study?  I&#8217;d be interested in seeing it.  The only recent study I know of is an old Harvard study of a fairly small sample that found juries getting it right in med-mal cases at rates slightly better than a coin-flip, though Professor Baker has been critical of that study.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know whether this case is one of glaring stupidity by the jury, of racially or class-based motive to transfer wealth to a local resident in one of the poorest counties in the US, or a South Texas judge slanting proceedings so that a defendant out-of-state corporation can&#8217;t get a fair trial.  Without knowing more, it&#8217;s also possible that Ford&#8217;s attorney had a fair chance to win, but underperformed in the trial-performance game-show.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/65-million-to-driver-not-wearing-seatbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-10763</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Barney,

There was a study a few years ago that Medical Malpractice cases were wrongly decided 80% of the time. How do you know that many juries get it right? And if this case is not glaring stupidity, then what would be?


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Barney,</p>
<p>There was a study a few years ago that Medical Malpractice cases were wrongly decided 80% of the time. How do you know that many juries get it right? And if this case is not glaring stupidity, then what would be?</p>
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		By: Jason Barney		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/65-million-to-driver-not-wearing-seatbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-10762</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Commentor&#039; - many juries get it right, but this case was venued in Southwest Texas, whose jurors are notoriously pro-plaintiff--to the point of a fault.

I&#039;m not saying they&#039;re not smart, but they often come to verdicts and awards I simply shake my head at.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Commentor&#8217; &#8211; many juries get it right, but this case was venued in Southwest Texas, whose jurors are notoriously pro-plaintiff&#8211;to the point of a fault.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying they&#8217;re not smart, but they often come to verdicts and awards I simply shake my head at.</p>
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		By: Commentor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Commentor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMHO, Juries tend to be pretty smart.  I&#039;d guess that in this case some pretty questionable expert testimony was allowed in.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, Juries tend to be pretty smart.  I&#8217;d guess that in this case some pretty questionable expert testimony was allowed in.</p>
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		By: Steve Hogan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Hogan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Ford Motor Co. is now responsible for checking the tire condition for all the cars and trucks sold to millions of customers every time they climb behind the wheel?  And buckle them in too?  Maybe they should wipe their noses and tell them bedtime stories too.

Sheesh, is the jury comprised of morons?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Ford Motor Co. is now responsible for checking the tire condition for all the cars and trucks sold to millions of customers every time they climb behind the wheel?  And buckle them in too?  Maybe they should wipe their noses and tell them bedtime stories too.</p>
<p>Sheesh, is the jury comprised of morons?</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/65-million-to-driver-not-wearing-seatbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-10759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good Grief! Tire separation can not cause a rollover. It is first year physics. The Explorer has a higher center of gravity and it, along with competing SUV&#039;s, should not be driven like Corvettes.
It is not surprising that a driver who can&#039;t understand would not understand seat belts. And it is not surprising that an American Jury would not understand anything at all!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Grief! Tire separation can not cause a rollover. It is first year physics. The Explorer has a higher center of gravity and it, along with competing SUV&#8217;s, should not be driven like Corvettes.<br />
It is not surprising that a driver who can&#8217;t understand would not understand seat belts. And it is not surprising that an American Jury would not understand anything at all!</p>
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		By: Joe Bingham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Bingham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ZOMG you just typed into my comment. /gasp

On a more serious note, it&#039;s incredible in the true sense of the word that there would be a law specifically barring that fact from evidence. Holy cow. What would Ralph Nader say?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZOMG you just typed into my comment. /gasp</p>
<p>On a more serious note, it&#8217;s incredible in the true sense of the word that there would be a law specifically barring that fact from evidence. Holy cow. What would Ralph Nader say?</p>
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		By: Joseph Bingham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Bingham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What was that (2003) reform?

&lt;b&gt;It struck existing Texas law barring the admission into evidence the failure to wear a seatbelt.  Many states continue to have such laws on the books. -- TF&lt;/b&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was that (2003) reform?</p>
<p><b>It struck existing Texas law barring the admission into evidence the failure to wear a seatbelt.  Many states continue to have such laws on the books. &#8212; TF</b></p>
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