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		By: October 27 roundup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[October 27 roundup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Are HIPAA privacy rules suspended during emergencies? No, and what lovely situations that&#8217;s likely to cause [HIPAA blog, more] [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Are HIPAA privacy rules suspended during emergencies? No, and what lovely situations that&#8217;s likely to cause [HIPAA blog, more] [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/high-cost-of-health-privacy-laws-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-10756</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Discussion continues at &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/privacy_law_and_criminal_inves.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this more recent post&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussion continues at <a href="https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/privacy_law_and_criminal_inves.html" rel="nofollow">this more recent post</a>.</p>
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		By: Supremacy Claus		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/high-cost-of-health-privacy-laws-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-10755</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supremacy Claus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank the lawyer rent seeking aims of the Supreme Court in O&#039;Connor v Donaldson. Now the psycho butcher qualifies for involuntary commitment.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank the lawyer rent seeking aims of the Supreme Court in O&#8217;Connor v Donaldson. Now the psycho butcher qualifies for involuntary commitment.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/high-cost-of-health-privacy-laws-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-10754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Police have made an arrest in the case, of a mentally disturbed man who has told investigators of having been committed to a mental institution 17 years ago by Dr. Kent Shimbach, the doctor who was injured in the rampage (and who shared offices with the therapist who was killed, Kathryn Faughey). Dr. Shinbach apparently has told investigators that he did not recognize the assailant and has no memory of any contact with him in the past. More details are in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/nyregion/18murder.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today&#039;s New York Times&lt;/a&gt;.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police have made an arrest in the case, of a mentally disturbed man who has told investigators of having been committed to a mental institution 17 years ago by Dr. Kent Shimbach, the doctor who was injured in the rampage (and who shared offices with the therapist who was killed, Kathryn Faughey). Dr. Shinbach apparently has told investigators that he did not recognize the assailant and has no memory of any contact with him in the past. More details are in <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/nyregion/18murder.html" rel="nofollow">today&#8217;s New York Times</a>.</p>
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		By: markm		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the police would want to start with her appointment book, and a subpoena for that should be specific enough. I suspect the hold up is in police or prosecutor bureaucracy, rather than anything to do with HIPPA.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the police would want to start with her appointment book, and a subpoena for that should be specific enough. I suspect the hold up is in police or prosecutor bureaucracy, rather than anything to do with HIPPA.</p>
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		By: OBQuiet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBQuiet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[yclipse,

I&#039;ll confess ignorance about the details of this case and the law in general. But if the folks in the office are not identifying the individual as a patient because they fear legal action, how would the police justify a subpoena? Would a Judge issue them a hunting license to look through all the files? That seems doubtful.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yclipse,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll confess ignorance about the details of this case and the law in general. But if the folks in the office are not identifying the individual as a patient because they fear legal action, how would the police justify a subpoena? Would a Judge issue them a hunting license to look through all the files? That seems doubtful.</p>
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		By: yclipse		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/high-cost-of-health-privacy-laws-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-10751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yclipse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the authorities have not been able to get a subpoena issued in very short order, that is where the finger of blame should be pointed.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the authorities have not been able to get a subpoena issued in very short order, that is where the finger of blame should be pointed.</p>
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		By: Mahlon		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/high-cost-of-health-privacy-laws-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-10750</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mahlon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SPQR has the right of it.  Most providers and insurers either don&#039;t understand the law, or, more probably, are too afraid of informing their employees of the true scope of the law.  They see the least amount of risk by simply ignoring the existence of the exclusions.  Most employees of these providers and insurers can&#039;t be trusted to exercise proper discretion in determining when an exclusion exists to permit disclosure.

Yes, once again, it&#039;s fear of litigation.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPQR has the right of it.  Most providers and insurers either don&#8217;t understand the law, or, more probably, are too afraid of informing their employees of the true scope of the law.  They see the least amount of risk by simply ignoring the existence of the exclusions.  Most employees of these providers and insurers can&#8217;t be trusted to exercise proper discretion in determining when an exclusion exists to permit disclosure.</p>
<p>Yes, once again, it&#8217;s fear of litigation.</p>
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		By: OBQuiet		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/high-cost-of-health-privacy-laws-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-10749</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBQuiet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As SPQR mentions, the rules are not always completely understood.

And with the reaction AT&amp;T got for cooperating &quot;&quot;in good faith&quot; with the government, you can be sure that no one will lift a finger to help until the situation is thoroughly vetted by their lawyers since it could mean jail time or ruin.

Stonewall and be legally safe. Cooperate and risk liability. Odd way of setting up the system I would think.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As SPQR mentions, the rules are not always completely understood.</p>
<p>And with the reaction AT&#038;T got for cooperating &#8220;&#8221;in good faith&#8221; with the government, you can be sure that no one will lift a finger to help until the situation is thoroughly vetted by their lawyers since it could mean jail time or ruin.</p>
<p>Stonewall and be legally safe. Cooperate and risk liability. Odd way of setting up the system I would think.</p>
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		By: Supremacy Claus		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/high-cost-of-health-privacy-laws-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-10748</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Supremacy Claus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here, a court upheld the arrest of staff obstructing police access to a patient:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/05/21/gvsc0521.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/05/21/gvsc0521.htm&lt;/a&gt;

Nice review of police conduct here. The police scrubbed in, took possession of the surgically removed bag of cocaine, arrested the patient.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/2007p/2007AP000822.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/2007p/2007AP000822.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

If the makers of baby products have ads waiting at the house after learning of wife&#039;s pregnancy, the police should be able to get the file of a maniac butcher still at large.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, a court upheld the arrest of staff obstructing police access to a patient:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/05/21/gvsc0521.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/05/21/gvsc0521.htm</a></p>
<p>Nice review of police conduct here. The police scrubbed in, took possession of the surgically removed bag of cocaine, arrested the patient.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/2007p/2007AP000822.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/2007p/2007AP000822.pdf</a></p>
<p>If the makers of baby products have ads waiting at the house after learning of wife&#8217;s pregnancy, the police should be able to get the file of a maniac butcher still at large.</p>
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