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		By: David Ardia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Ardia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve been following the subpoena issued to Kathleen Seidel over at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/sykes-v-seidel&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Citizen Media Law Project&lt;/a&gt; at Harvard&#039;s Berkman Center for Internet &amp; Society.  In an effort to shed light on these kinds  of legal threats, we track subpoenas (and lawsuits) against bloggers in our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.citmedialaw.org/database&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;legal threats database&lt;/a&gt;.  Please let us know if you come across any developments that we might have missed.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been following the subpoena issued to Kathleen Seidel over at the <a href="http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/sykes-v-seidel" rel="nofollow">Citizen Media Law Project</a> at Harvard&#8217;s Berkman Center for Internet &#038; Society.  In an effort to shed light on these kinds  of legal threats, we track subpoenas (and lawsuits) against bloggers in our <a href="http://www.citmedialaw.org/database" rel="nofollow">legal threats database</a>.  Please let us know if you come across any developments that we might have missed.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/04/blogosphere-reacts-to-seidel-subpoena/comment-page-1/#comment-11493</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walter, you certainly know the poor odds of actually getting that enforced.  The lawyer will cough up some lame, obviously-fake claim of relevance and get off scot-free, as usual.

But it&#039;s nice to have the proof of the crap going on.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, you certainly know the poor odds of actually getting that enforced.  The lawyer will cough up some lame, obviously-fake claim of relevance and get off scot-free, as usual.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s nice to have the proof of the crap going on.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/04/blogosphere-reacts-to-seidel-subpoena/comment-page-1/#comment-11492</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reader/blogger Jake Young, who commented above, writes to add that he has had a chance to look up the bar ethics rules in Virginia, where Shoemaker practices. &quot;They do have a clause relating to this sort of thing:

&quot;RULE 4.4 Respect For Rights Of Third Persons

In representing a client, a lawyer shall not use means that have no purpose other than to embarrass, delay, or burden a third person, or
use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of such a person.&quot;

&quot;Here are the rules if you would like to check it out (p. 74):

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vsb.org/docs/rules-pc_2007-08pg.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.vsb.org/docs/rules-pc_2007-08pg.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader/blogger Jake Young, who commented above, writes to add that he has had a chance to look up the bar ethics rules in Virginia, where Shoemaker practices. &#8220;They do have a clause relating to this sort of thing:</p>
<p>&#8220;RULE 4.4 Respect For Rights Of Third Persons</p>
<p>In representing a client, a lawyer shall not use means that have no purpose other than to embarrass, delay, or burden a third person, or<br />
use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of such a person.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Here are the rules if you would like to check it out (p. 74):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vsb.org/docs/rules-pc_2007-08pg.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vsb.org/docs/rules-pc_2007-08pg.pdf</a></p>
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		By: I am Kathleen		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/04/blogosphere-reacts-to-seidel-subpoena/comment-page-1/#comment-11491</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I am Kathleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just had a thought.  Mr Shoemaker wants to see all the correspondence from Kathleen&#039;s blogroll.  Mr Shoemaker has asked to see all the correspondence from Kathleen&#039;s blogroll.  Mr. Shoemaker&#039;s email address is known.  Perhaps in the interest of saving everyone time and copying expenses Mr. Shoemaker should be emailed copies of all the blogs that all the bloggers on Kathleen&#039;s blogroll have ever produced?

Actually since Mr. Shoemaker has requested &quot;Any and all documents (including emails, notes, memos, letters, etc.) pertaining communications (written or verbal) which have occurred between Kathleen Seidel or any individual or organization working for or with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neurodiversity.com&quot;/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.neurodiversity.com&lt;/a&gt; and any members, employees, or consultants of other advocacy groups , non-governmental organizations, concerned individuals, political action groups, profit or non-profit companies/organizations, including but not limited to...&quot;   That covers a lot more than just blogs.

In my simplistic non-lawyerly understanding, an &quot;individual working with&quot; neurodiversity.com would be any individual had ever gone to Kathleen&#039;s site and worked with what she had provided there, that is had read any of what she had posted.  Presumably anyone who&#039;s blog has been linked to neurodiversity.com (or who links there) is by virtue of that link &quot;working with&quot; Kathleen.   As I understand it, each comment in a blog is a separate &quot;communication&quot; and should be sent &lt;i&gt;separately&lt;/i&gt;.

I would think that even this blog could be considered covered by the subpoena.  I don&#039;t know whether giving Mr. Shoemaker what he asks for is &lt;i&gt;required&lt;/i&gt;, but I have been tought that giving people what the ask for is &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; considered polite.

If Mr. Shoemaker is asking for &quot;any and all documents pertaining to communications which have occurred between any individual who has ever gone to Kathleen&#039;s site and any concerned individual&quot;, that includes a lot of material.   If 100 bloggers have 100 blogs each, that is 10,000 blogs.  If each blog has 100 comments, that is 1,000,000 &quot;communications&quot;.

I hope Mr. Shoemaker has a large inbox.

&lt;i&gt;A very large inbox. &lt;/i&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had a thought.  Mr Shoemaker wants to see all the correspondence from Kathleen&#8217;s blogroll.  Mr Shoemaker has asked to see all the correspondence from Kathleen&#8217;s blogroll.  Mr. Shoemaker&#8217;s email address is known.  Perhaps in the interest of saving everyone time and copying expenses Mr. Shoemaker should be emailed copies of all the blogs that all the bloggers on Kathleen&#8217;s blogroll have ever produced?</p>
<p>Actually since Mr. Shoemaker has requested &#8220;Any and all documents (including emails, notes, memos, letters, etc.) pertaining communications (written or verbal) which have occurred between Kathleen Seidel or any individual or organization working for or with <a href="http://www.neurodiversity.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.neurodiversity.com/</a> and any members, employees, or consultants of other advocacy groups , non-governmental organizations, concerned individuals, political action groups, profit or non-profit companies/organizations, including but not limited to&#8230;&#8221;   That covers a lot more than just blogs.</p>
<p>In my simplistic non-lawyerly understanding, an &#8220;individual working with&#8221; neurodiversity.com would be any individual had ever gone to Kathleen&#8217;s site and worked with what she had provided there, that is had read any of what she had posted.  Presumably anyone who&#8217;s blog has been linked to neurodiversity.com (or who links there) is by virtue of that link &#8220;working with&#8221; Kathleen.   As I understand it, each comment in a blog is a separate &#8220;communication&#8221; and should be sent <i>separately</i>.</p>
<p>I would think that even this blog could be considered covered by the subpoena.  I don&#8217;t know whether giving Mr. Shoemaker what he asks for is <i>required</i>, but I have been tought that giving people what the ask for is <i>always</i> considered polite.</p>
<p>If Mr. Shoemaker is asking for &#8220;any and all documents pertaining to communications which have occurred between any individual who has ever gone to Kathleen&#8217;s site and any concerned individual&#8221;, that includes a lot of material.   If 100 bloggers have 100 blogs each, that is 10,000 blogs.  If each blog has 100 comments, that is 1,000,000 &#8220;communications&#8221;.</p>
<p>I hope Mr. Shoemaker has a large inbox.</p>
<p><i>A very large inbox. </i></p>
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		By: Jake Young		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/04/blogosphere-reacts-to-seidel-subpoena/comment-page-1/#comment-11490</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a random question, but can Seidel file a ethics complaint about this lawyer?

This subpoena seems truly egregious, and I am sure Mr. Shoemaker&#039;s local bar would like to hear about it.

How would she do that?  Is there any chance that something would be done?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a random question, but can Seidel file a ethics complaint about this lawyer?</p>
<p>This subpoena seems truly egregious, and I am sure Mr. Shoemaker&#8217;s local bar would like to hear about it.</p>
<p>How would she do that?  Is there any chance that something would be done?</p>
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		By: Liz Ditz		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/04/blogosphere-reacts-to-seidel-subpoena/comment-page-1/#comment-11489</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Ditz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your work on this.

I&#039;m keeping a running list of blog comments at &lt;a href=&quot;http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2008/04/kathleen-seidel.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I Speak of Dreams&lt;/a&gt;.  I was one of the 100 plus bloggers named in item 5 of the subpoena.  While I write on autism and anti-vaccination foolery, I think I&#039;ve exchanged a handful of e-mails with Ms. Seidel.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your work on this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m keeping a running list of blog comments at <a href="http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2008/04/kathleen-seidel.html" rel="nofollow">I Speak of Dreams</a>.  I was one of the 100 plus bloggers named in item 5 of the subpoena.  While I write on autism and anti-vaccination foolery, I think I&#8217;ve exchanged a handful of e-mails with Ms. Seidel.</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/04/blogosphere-reacts-to-seidel-subpoena/comment-page-1/#comment-11488</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m hardly a big gun, but I blogged it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newpopehat.dreamhosters.com/2008/04/04/vaccine-litigant-thuggery-subpoenaed-for-blogging/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here/&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hardly a big gun, but I blogged it <a href="http://www.newpopehat.dreamhosters.com/2008/04/04/vaccine-litigant-thuggery-subpoenaed-for-blogging/" rel="nofollow">here/</a></p>
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