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		By: Tony Tutins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Tutins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’m moderately convinced that “frankfromfresno” is just a sock puppet for Sanai, given how obsessively Sanai is monitoring this discussion.&lt;/i&gt;

Certainly L&#039;Affaire Sanai is the only issue that has ever motivated frankfromfresno to comment publicly on the internet: I notice if I do a web search for frankfromfresno -kozinski -sanai, no pages show up. However, when I do a web search for frankfromfresno, 207 pages show up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m moderately convinced that “frankfromfresno” is just a sock puppet for Sanai, given how obsessively Sanai is monitoring this discussion.</i></p>
<p>Certainly L&#8217;Affaire Sanai is the only issue that has ever motivated frankfromfresno to comment publicly on the internet: I notice if I do a web search for frankfromfresno -kozinski -sanai, no pages show up. However, when I do a web search for frankfromfresno, 207 pages show up.</p>
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		By: Cyrus Sanai: Kozinski investigation &#8220;is part of a litigation strategy&#8221;; second Sanai v. Saltz sanctions order		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/latest-on-kozinski-and-cyrus-sanai/comment-page-1/#comment-22127</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyrus Sanai: Kozinski investigation &#8220;is part of a litigation strategy&#8221;; second Sanai v. Saltz sanctions order]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] In the comments, Sanai says that Judge Green is also biased against him, and that he will prevail on appeal. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In the comments, Sanai says that Judge Green is also biased against him, and that he will prevail on appeal. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: GolfAddict		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/latest-on-kozinski-and-cyrus-sanai/comment-page-1/#comment-22119</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GolfAddict]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FYI, Cyrus Sanai has now publicly admitted that this whole scheme to discredit federal judges is just &quot;part of his litigation strategy&quot; in the divorce case.  See the coverage over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://patterico.com/2008/06/17/cyrus-sanai-responds/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Patterico&lt;/a&gt; (http://patterico.com/2008/06/17/cyrus-sanai-responds/).

That is manifestly disgusting and a continued abuse of the legal system.  What other federal judges will become targets if they dare to rule against Sanai?  It&#039;s time for him to lose his law license for harboring sour grapes and for taking out a grudge by trying to take down the bench.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, Cyrus Sanai has now publicly admitted that this whole scheme to discredit federal judges is just &#8220;part of his litigation strategy&#8221; in the divorce case.  See the coverage over at <a href="http://patterico.com/2008/06/17/cyrus-sanai-responds/" rel="nofollow">Patterico</a> (<a href="http://patterico.com/2008/06/17/cyrus-sanai-responds/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://patterico.com/2008/06/17/cyrus-sanai-responds/</a>).</p>
<p>That is manifestly disgusting and a continued abuse of the legal system.  What other federal judges will become targets if they dare to rule against Sanai?  It&#8217;s time for him to lose his law license for harboring sour grapes and for taking out a grudge by trying to take down the bench.</p>
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		By: The Rude News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Alex Kozinski &#38; The Ninth Circus Court		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/latest-on-kozinski-and-cyrus-sanai/comment-page-1/#comment-22069</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Rude News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Alex Kozinski &#38; The Ninth Circus Court]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] turns out, some rat bastard lawyer, who hates this particular Judge, shopped around a cd of stuff downloaded off of the Judges web [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] turns out, some rat bastard lawyer, who hates this particular Judge, shopped around a cd of stuff downloaded off of the Judges web [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Lawyer		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/latest-on-kozinski-and-cyrus-sanai/comment-page-1/#comment-22066</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Well it would be improper for a litigant to cite to that passage as authority for anything.&quot;

That&#039;s not true at all.  A litigant would be perfectly legitimate in citing the case for the fact that a court had an extremely disfavorable view of Cyrus&#039;s conduct and sanctioned him.  This could easily be relevant in a case where, say, Cyrus&#039;s mental state of mind (for an evidentiary ruling) or reputation is at issue (say, slander or libel).

That&#039;s why, in citations, you&#039;ll oftentimes see &quot;rev. on other grounds&quot; in italics in the citation. Just because one point of law got reversed doesn&#039;t mean the whole opinion is gibberish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well it would be improper for a litigant to cite to that passage as authority for anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not true at all.  A litigant would be perfectly legitimate in citing the case for the fact that a court had an extremely disfavorable view of Cyrus&#8217;s conduct and sanctioned him.  This could easily be relevant in a case where, say, Cyrus&#8217;s mental state of mind (for an evidentiary ruling) or reputation is at issue (say, slander or libel).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why, in citations, you&#8217;ll oftentimes see &#8220;rev. on other grounds&#8221; in italics in the citation. Just because one point of law got reversed doesn&#8217;t mean the whole opinion is gibberish.</p>
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		By: GolfAddict		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GolfAddict]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;&#062;&#062;&quot;But, of course, you were not trying to adhere to the ethics required of attorneys filing papers, you were just making a blog post and the latter is less constrained by ethical considerations, obviously.&quot;

I&#039;m moderately convinced that &quot;frankfromfresno&quot; is just a sock puppet for Sanai, given how obsessively Sanai is monitoring this discussion.

Let me make this more clear:  A district court went out of its way to point out how unethical Sanai&#039;s behavior was.  The underlying ruling was reversed on a technicality, but the appellate court DID NOT DISAGREE that Sanai&#039;s conduct was unethical.    The fact that he won on a technicality doesn&#039;t make his conduct before the district court any more ethical, it just means that he got a lucky break on appeal.  

Nobody is citing the district court&#039;s decision as precedent.  Everybody is citing the district court&#039;s colloquy to show that Cyrus Sanai is an unethical lawyer.  The fact that the underlying ruling was reversed on a technicality doesn&#039;t change the fact that a district court felt compelled to describe Cyrus Sanai&#039;s conduct as a litigant as manifestly unethical.  It wasn&#039;t a holding of the court (vulnerable to being reversed) but an aside about the parties.

Shame on Cyrus for trying to portray the appellate court as somehow having vindicated his conduct, when nothing of the sort happened.  Multiple judges in multiple jurisdictions have condemned Cyrus Sanai as an unethical litigant, and this is just the next stage of that saga.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&#8221;But, of course, you were not trying to adhere to the ethics required of attorneys filing papers, you were just making a blog post and the latter is less constrained by ethical considerations, obviously.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m moderately convinced that &#8220;frankfromfresno&#8221; is just a sock puppet for Sanai, given how obsessively Sanai is monitoring this discussion.</p>
<p>Let me make this more clear:  A district court went out of its way to point out how unethical Sanai&#8217;s behavior was.  The underlying ruling was reversed on a technicality, but the appellate court DID NOT DISAGREE that Sanai&#8217;s conduct was unethical.    The fact that he won on a technicality doesn&#8217;t make his conduct before the district court any more ethical, it just means that he got a lucky break on appeal.  </p>
<p>Nobody is citing the district court&#8217;s decision as precedent.  Everybody is citing the district court&#8217;s colloquy to show that Cyrus Sanai is an unethical lawyer.  The fact that the underlying ruling was reversed on a technicality doesn&#8217;t change the fact that a district court felt compelled to describe Cyrus Sanai&#8217;s conduct as a litigant as manifestly unethical.  It wasn&#8217;t a holding of the court (vulnerable to being reversed) but an aside about the parties.</p>
<p>Shame on Cyrus for trying to portray the appellate court as somehow having vindicated his conduct, when nothing of the sort happened.  Multiple judges in multiple jurisdictions have condemned Cyrus Sanai as an unethical litigant, and this is just the next stage of that saga.</p>
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		By: Ted Frank		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/latest-on-kozinski-and-cyrus-sanai/comment-page-1/#comment-22053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again, the relevant information was given in the post.  Readers can give it the weight they believe it deserves.    The underlying opinion is &quot;unpublished&quot;, so it&#039;s not authority for anything other than what happened in that particular case.  The trial court found what it found, and it&#039;s consistent with what other trial judges have found.  All three trial judges, according to Sanai, were biased (along with a fourth who recused himself out of frustration with Sanai&#039;s litigation tactics, along with Judge Kozinski before all of this broke), so perhaps he&#039;s just had a severely unlucky streak of facing biased judges in four different jurisdictions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, the relevant information was given in the post.  Readers can give it the weight they believe it deserves.    The underlying opinion is &#8220;unpublished&#8221;, so it&#8217;s not authority for anything other than what happened in that particular case.  The trial court found what it found, and it&#8217;s consistent with what other trial judges have found.  All three trial judges, according to Sanai, were biased (along with a fourth who recused himself out of frustration with Sanai&#8217;s litigation tactics, along with Judge Kozinski before all of this broke), so perhaps he&#8217;s just had a severely unlucky streak of facing biased judges in four different jurisdictions.</p>
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		By: frankfromfresno		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frankfromfresno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The appellate court reversed on a legal technicality that the judge could not sanction Sanai under the statute he used to do so. It made no finding on the factual question of whether the trial court’s characterization was correct.&quot;

Well it would be improper for a litigant to cite to that passage as authority for anything since the trial court&#039;s decision was explicitly reversed.   And after it is so reversed, an Appellate court need not wade into the facts.  The lower court decision is irrelevant.

But, of course, you were not trying to adhere to the ethics required of attorneys filing papers, you were just making a blog post and the latter is less constrained by ethical considerations, obviously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The appellate court reversed on a legal technicality that the judge could not sanction Sanai under the statute he used to do so. It made no finding on the factual question of whether the trial court’s characterization was correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well it would be improper for a litigant to cite to that passage as authority for anything since the trial court&#8217;s decision was explicitly reversed.   And after it is so reversed, an Appellate court need not wade into the facts.  The lower court decision is irrelevant.</p>
<p>But, of course, you were not trying to adhere to the ethics required of attorneys filing papers, you were just making a blog post and the latter is less constrained by ethical considerations, obviously.</p>
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		By: Ted Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) No one said the appellate court sanctioned Sanai.  
2) The appellate court reversed on a legal technicality that the judge could not sanction Sanai under the statute he used to do so.  It made no finding on the factual question of whether the trial court&#039;s characterization was correct.  

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/kozinski-recuses-himself-judge-zillys-sanctions-order-against-cyrus-sanai/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cite is given in the post&lt;/a&gt;, which acknowledges the fee award was reversed on other grounds, so I fail to see what you think you&#039;ve uncovered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) No one said the appellate court sanctioned Sanai.<br />
2) The appellate court reversed on a legal technicality that the judge could not sanction Sanai under the statute he used to do so.  It made no finding on the factual question of whether the trial court&#8217;s characterization was correct.  </p>
<p>The <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/kozinski-recuses-himself-judge-zillys-sanctions-order-against-cyrus-sanai/" rel="nofollow">cite is given in the post</a>, which acknowledges the fee award was reversed on other grounds, so I fail to see what you think you&#8217;ve uncovered.</p>
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		By: frankfromfresno		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frankfromfresno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I pulled up the appellate decision that supposedly criticizes Mr. Sanai and what actually happened is that the Appellate Court quoted a trial court stated reasons for sanctioning Mr. Sanai in a footnote and then REVERSED the trial court.    Here is the relevant passage:

&quot;Finding Mr. Sanai had not brought this action in good faith,FN36 the trial court awarded UDR $136,034 in fees, 25 percent of the total fees sought by all defendants in their consolidated attorney fee motion, pursuant to Civil Code section 1785.31, subdivision (e). We reverse the award on two grounds.&quot;

FN36. The trial court commented: “Plaintiff has proliferated needless, baseless pleadings that now occupy about 15 volumes of Superior Court files, not to mention the numerous briefs submitted in the course of the forays into the Court of Appeal and attempts to get before the Supreme Court, and not one pleading appears to have had substantial merit. The genesis of this lawsuit, and the unwarranted grief and expense it has spawned, are an outrage.”&quot;

The first paragraph is the appellate court speaking and the second paragraph is a footnote in which they quote the trial court.  The case is viewable to those with access to westlaw at: Sanai v. U.D. Registry, Inc.
Not Reported in Cal.Rptr.3d, 2005 WL 361327
Cal.App. 2 Dist.,2005.

I have no idea what Mr. Sanai&#039;s conduct was in the trial court, but to suggest that the appellate decision sanctioned him is exactly wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pulled up the appellate decision that supposedly criticizes Mr. Sanai and what actually happened is that the Appellate Court quoted a trial court stated reasons for sanctioning Mr. Sanai in a footnote and then REVERSED the trial court.    Here is the relevant passage:</p>
<p>&#8220;Finding Mr. Sanai had not brought this action in good faith,FN36 the trial court awarded UDR $136,034 in fees, 25 percent of the total fees sought by all defendants in their consolidated attorney fee motion, pursuant to Civil Code section 1785.31, subdivision (e). We reverse the award on two grounds.&#8221;</p>
<p>FN36. The trial court commented: “Plaintiff has proliferated needless, baseless pleadings that now occupy about 15 volumes of Superior Court files, not to mention the numerous briefs submitted in the course of the forays into the Court of Appeal and attempts to get before the Supreme Court, and not one pleading appears to have had substantial merit. The genesis of this lawsuit, and the unwarranted grief and expense it has spawned, are an outrage.”&#8221;</p>
<p>The first paragraph is the appellate court speaking and the second paragraph is a footnote in which they quote the trial court.  The case is viewable to those with access to westlaw at: Sanai v. U.D. Registry, Inc.<br />
Not Reported in Cal.Rptr.3d, 2005 WL 361327<br />
Cal.App. 2 Dist.,2005.</p>
<p>I have no idea what Mr. Sanai&#8217;s conduct was in the trial court, but to suggest that the appellate decision sanctioned him is exactly wrong.</p>
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