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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sorry gitarcarver, but the wheels start falling off your argument when you begin by quoting the NY Times.&lt;/i&gt;

The same information is in articles from Slashdot, CNet, Wired, The Washington Post, etc.  

&lt;i&gt;$1.25 million collectively is chump change for any of these companies much less all three combined.&lt;/i&gt;

I am not sure of your point here.  It is not the money, it is &lt;b&gt;where&lt;/b&gt; the money went to.  

&lt;i&gt;A threat is just that until action is taken.&lt;/i&gt;

Yet a threat carries a certain weight of force behind it which is the point of the whole thing. 

While it may be true that the ISP&#039;s wanted to get rid of Usenet groups, it is also true that this action by the AG of New York forced them to either close it down or face legal action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sorry gitarcarver, but the wheels start falling off your argument when you begin by quoting the NY Times.</i></p>
<p>The same information is in articles from Slashdot, CNet, Wired, The Washington Post, etc.  </p>
<p><i>$1.25 million collectively is chump change for any of these companies much less all three combined.</i></p>
<p>I am not sure of your point here.  It is not the money, it is <b>where</b> the money went to.  </p>
<p><i>A threat is just that until action is taken.</i></p>
<p>Yet a threat carries a certain weight of force behind it which is the point of the whole thing. </p>
<p>While it may be true that the ISP&#8217;s wanted to get rid of Usenet groups, it is also true that this action by the AG of New York forced them to either close it down or face legal action.</p>
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		By: Ted Frank		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bumper, even if what you say is true, it doesn&#039;t excuse the role of the AG here.  TimeWarner might want to get rid of Usenet, but it wouldn&#039;t dare be the first ISP to do so, because it would risk alienating consumers.  And it couldn&#039;t cut a deal with the other ISPs for everyone to get rid of Usenet, because that would violate Section 1 of the Sherman Act.  But such cartels are perfectly legal when they&#039;re imposed by government action.  For a small payment to Cuomo, the AG has given imprimatur to an agreement to shortchange consumers.  

This is the sort of thing the Center for Justice &amp; Democracy is approving of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bumper, even if what you say is true, it doesn&#8217;t excuse the role of the AG here.  TimeWarner might want to get rid of Usenet, but it wouldn&#8217;t dare be the first ISP to do so, because it would risk alienating consumers.  And it couldn&#8217;t cut a deal with the other ISPs for everyone to get rid of Usenet, because that would violate Section 1 of the Sherman Act.  But such cartels are perfectly legal when they&#8217;re imposed by government action.  For a small payment to Cuomo, the AG has given imprimatur to an agreement to shortchange consumers.  </p>
<p>This is the sort of thing the Center for Justice &#038; Democracy is approving of.</p>
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		By: Bumper		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/that-ag-cuomo-deal-over-child-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-21355</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bumper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry gitarcarver, but the wheels start falling off your argument when you begin by quoting the NY Times. $1.25 million collectively is chump change for any of these companies much less all three combined. I stand by my comments, these companies are glad to get rid of Usenet, because the cost of maintaining the server farms is high and the subscribers in question are high bandwidth users. A threat is just that until action is taken. Think along the lines of &quot;Make it sound Draconian so we can tell them we had to shut &#039;em down. Lastly, the amount of porn on the newsgroups is minuscule compared to WWW. This is not to say it isn&#039;t a lot, just not when compared to the web.

These are the same companies that want to start charging  by total bandwidth useage and &quot;inspecting&quot; every packet you send and receive so they can push selected advertising to your computer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry gitarcarver, but the wheels start falling off your argument when you begin by quoting the NY Times. $1.25 million collectively is chump change for any of these companies much less all three combined. I stand by my comments, these companies are glad to get rid of Usenet, because the cost of maintaining the server farms is high and the subscribers in question are high bandwidth users. A threat is just that until action is taken. Think along the lines of &#8220;Make it sound Draconian so we can tell them we had to shut &#8217;em down. Lastly, the amount of porn on the newsgroups is minuscule compared to WWW. This is not to say it isn&#8217;t a lot, just not when compared to the web.</p>
<p>These are the same companies that want to start charging  by total bandwidth useage and &#8220;inspecting&#8221; every packet you send and receive so they can push selected advertising to your computer.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/that-ag-cuomo-deal-over-child-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-21301</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Forcing is hardly the keyword here.&lt;/i&gt;

An article from the NY Times contains this quote:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;After the companies ignored the investigators’ complaints, the attorney general’s office surfaced, threatening charges of fraud and deceptive business practices. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

and....

&lt;i&gt;&quot;As part of the agreements, the three companies will also collectively pay $1.125 million to underwrite efforts by Mr. Cuomo’s office and the center for missing children to purge child pornography from the Internet.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

So let&#039;s see.... the companies are threatened with lawsuits and criminal investigations from Cuomo&#039;s office and in response, they &quot;give&quot; a boatload of money to that same office.

Although there may be a component of the companies wanting to limit Usenet groups, it certainly appears that the threats by Cuomo were a part of the &quot;forcing&quot; done here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Forcing is hardly the keyword here.</i></p>
<p>An article from the NY Times contains this quote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;After the companies ignored the investigators’ complaints, the attorney general’s office surfaced, threatening charges of fraud and deceptive business practices. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>and&#8230;.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;As part of the agreements, the three companies will also collectively pay $1.125 million to underwrite efforts by Mr. Cuomo’s office and the center for missing children to purge child pornography from the Internet.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So let&#8217;s see&#8230;. the companies are threatened with lawsuits and criminal investigations from Cuomo&#8217;s office and in response, they &#8220;give&#8221; a boatload of money to that same office.</p>
<p>Although there may be a component of the companies wanting to limit Usenet groups, it certainly appears that the threats by Cuomo were a part of the &#8220;forcing&#8221; done here.</p>
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		By: Bumper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bumper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forcing is hardly the keyword here. The big ISPs have been trying for years to get rid of Usenet with their packages. The costs are high, the users are fewer in number and the bandwidth usage per subscriber is very high, and complaints are very high over incomplete files and retention.

More than likely they cut a back room deal, Cuomo comes off looking like he&#039;s tough on pervs and the ISPs get rid of a cash albatross. A win-win for everybody but the consumer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forcing is hardly the keyword here. The big ISPs have been trying for years to get rid of Usenet with their packages. The costs are high, the users are fewer in number and the bandwidth usage per subscriber is very high, and complaints are very high over incomplete files and retention.</p>
<p>More than likely they cut a back room deal, Cuomo comes off looking like he&#8217;s tough on pervs and the ISPs get rid of a cash albatross. A win-win for everybody but the consumer.</p>
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		By: Cuomo Misfires, Banning News Groups Rather Than Child Porn &#124; OpenMarket.org		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/06/that-ag-cuomo-deal-over-child-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-21153</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cuomo Misfires, Banning News Groups Rather Than Child Porn &#124; OpenMarket.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] to force internet service providers (ISPs) to cut off access to internet news groups (see links at Ted Frank&#8217;s post at Overlawyered).  Cuomo has reached a &#8220;voluntary&#8221; (read: coerced) settlement with ISPs Verizon, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to force internet service providers (ISPs) to cut off access to internet news groups (see links at Ted Frank&#8217;s post at Overlawyered).  Cuomo has reached a &#8220;voluntary&#8221; (read: coerced) settlement with ISPs Verizon, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: radosh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[radosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The WaPo article on the Financial Coalition seems to be off-base in using the AG deal as a news peg. What does blocking access to free Usnet groups have to do with tracking financial transactions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WaPo article on the Financial Coalition seems to be off-base in using the AG deal as a news peg. What does blocking access to free Usnet groups have to do with tracking financial transactions?</p>
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