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		By: November 3 roundup		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Latest lawsuit arising from fad for photos of &#8220;Hot Chicks with Dorky Men&#8221; (that&#8217;s a paraphrase) [TMZ, QuizLaw, earlier] [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Latest lawsuit arising from fad for photos of &#8220;Hot Chicks with Dorky Men&#8221; (that&#8217;s a paraphrase) [TMZ, QuizLaw, earlier] [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with the posters questioning what the sick leave policy is -- not just what it says, but how the employer has treated it with other teachers (did the employer expect and condone other teachers using sick leave for personal purposes?).

If the teacher were fired for taking a sick day to care for a seriously sick friend (or depending on the contract possibly even a sick child or spouse!), it would morally be less objectionable but would from a contract perspective be the same. The issue is what the &quot;real&quot; sick day policy is -- if it&#039;s okay for other teachers to use them for personal purposes, then it&#039;s okay for this teacher (even though I can&#039;t stand the Howard Stern show, think she was stupid and wrong, etc.).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the posters questioning what the sick leave policy is &#8212; not just what it says, but how the employer has treated it with other teachers (did the employer expect and condone other teachers using sick leave for personal purposes?).</p>
<p>If the teacher were fired for taking a sick day to care for a seriously sick friend (or depending on the contract possibly even a sick child or spouse!), it would morally be less objectionable but would from a contract perspective be the same. The issue is what the &#8220;real&#8221; sick day policy is &#8212; if it&#8217;s okay for other teachers to use them for personal purposes, then it&#8217;s okay for this teacher (even though I can&#8217;t stand the Howard Stern show, think she was stupid and wrong, etc.).</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All bikini appearences should be exempt from normal restrictions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All bikini appearences should be exempt from normal restrictions.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it ok for a teacher to perform in a pornographic film just because some parents or fellow teachers may watch porn at home?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Goodness, I hope so, and I find porn morally abhorent (but I find government interference with private business worse).

Now, a PRIVATE school should be able to release someone from employment as they see fit, and a school without some kind of union crap should also be able to do so, but if there are rules about this stuff (and there are), especially if the government is involved, then they should be evenly enforced without regard to what one does in one&#039;s private life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is it ok for a teacher to perform in a pornographic film just because some parents or fellow teachers may watch porn at home?</p></blockquote>
<p>Goodness, I hope so, and I find porn morally abhorent (but I find government interference with private business worse).</p>
<p>Now, a PRIVATE school should be able to release someone from employment as they see fit, and a school without some kind of union crap should also be able to do so, but if there are rules about this stuff (and there are), especially if the government is involved, then they should be evenly enforced without regard to what one does in one&#8217;s private life.</p>
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		By: nevins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems to me that people are playing down the significance of the &#039;abuse of sick leave&#039; issue.  In breech of contract she lied to her employer, causing easily identified costs to the school (the substitute), plus disrupting the orderly educational experience of at least 20 students.  
In exchange for 3 months of summer vacation, teachers don&#039;t get to just take personal days during the academic year.  If teachers want to be treated as a profession, then they cannot just consider themselves interchangeable cogs that can be freely changed in and out of the classroom just to meet their personal whims.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that people are playing down the significance of the &#8216;abuse of sick leave&#8217; issue.  In breech of contract she lied to her employer, causing easily identified costs to the school (the substitute), plus disrupting the orderly educational experience of at least 20 students.<br />
In exchange for 3 months of summer vacation, teachers don&#8217;t get to just take personal days during the academic year.  If teachers want to be treated as a profession, then they cannot just consider themselves interchangeable cogs that can be freely changed in and out of the classroom just to meet their personal whims.</p>
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		By: Tracy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter,

Explain how this is a double standard?  There is a significant difference between watching and participating in something like this.  If in fact a teacher at the school listened to Howard Stern around their students I would support sanctions of some type against them too, since I find the show inappropriate for kids.  

Take our argument to the nth degree.  Is it ok for a teacher to perform in a pornographic film just because some parents or fellow teachers may watch porn at home?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>Explain how this is a double standard?  There is a significant difference between watching and participating in something like this.  If in fact a teacher at the school listened to Howard Stern around their students I would support sanctions of some type against them too, since I find the show inappropriate for kids.  </p>
<p>Take our argument to the nth degree.  Is it ok for a teacher to perform in a pornographic film just because some parents or fellow teachers may watch porn at home?</p>
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		By: Brad Ford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops - typo - heard the skit...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211; typo &#8211; heard the skit&#8230;</p>
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		By: Brad Ford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walter,

I hear the skit on the Howard Stern show and she did not do anything immoral or that should have caused her to get fired.  I have definitely seen worse. 

If that is why she was forced out (and she certainly was forced out), she should get her job back.  

If, however, she was fired for taking a &quot;sick day&quot; to compete on the show, that is a separate issue.  

Brad in Conecticut]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter,</p>
<p>I hear the skit on the Howard Stern show and she did not do anything immoral or that should have caused her to get fired.  I have definitely seen worse. </p>
<p>If that is why she was forced out (and she certainly was forced out), she should get her job back.  </p>
<p>If, however, she was fired for taking a &#8220;sick day&#8221; to compete on the show, that is a separate issue.  </p>
<p>Brad in Conecticut</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[
Factor in the almost immediate loss of credibility that she will suffer with parents and students because of this appearance an I can readily support her termination.


Tracy, this is a perfect example of having double standards. It is ostensibly okay for anyone at the school to watch the show in question, but it is not okay for one of their staff to appear on the show. 

Fair enough - she did lie about being sick. However, if her work contract didn&#039;t allow her to take a day off for &quot;personal reasons&quot;, then what was she supposed to do? If she had told 

How about this solution... The woman drops the case against the school, hits the Howard Stern Show up for advertising collateral, and then she moves somewhere where people don&#039;t live in caves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Factor in the almost immediate loss of credibility that she will suffer with parents and students because of this appearance an I can readily support her termination.</p>
<p>Tracy, this is a perfect example of having double standards. It is ostensibly okay for anyone at the school to watch the show in question, but it is not okay for one of their staff to appear on the show. </p>
<p>Fair enough &#8211; she did lie about being sick. However, if her work contract didn&#8217;t allow her to take a day off for &#8220;personal reasons&#8221;, then what was she supposed to do? If she had told </p>
<p>How about this solution&#8230; The woman drops the case against the school, hits the Howard Stern Show up for advertising collateral, and then she moves somewhere where people don&#8217;t live in caves.</p>
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		By: Tracy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it is easy for the school to defend, even if they dont have an automatic firing process for sick leave abuse.  When you consider that she flaunted that she wasnt sick by appearing on a national radio/tv program it rises to a level above normal abuse.

Factor in the almost immediate loss of credibility that she will suffer with parents and students because of this appearance an I can readily support her termination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is easy for the school to defend, even if they dont have an automatic firing process for sick leave abuse.  When you consider that she flaunted that she wasnt sick by appearing on a national radio/tv program it rises to a level above normal abuse.</p>
<p>Factor in the almost immediate loss of credibility that she will suffer with parents and students because of this appearance an I can readily support her termination.</p>
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