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		By: Judicial Elections: Good or Bad? It&#8217;s Not Clear &#124; OpenMarket.org		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Judicial Elections: Good or Bad? It&#8217;s Not Clear &#124; OpenMarket.org]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Historically, jurisdictions with judicial elections tended to be somewhat more anti-business than those that didn&#8217;t have judicial elections.  But in recent years, voters in some moderate and conservative states (even states like Michigan and Wisconsin that have a slight liberal tilt in presidential elections) have swept out liberal, antibusiness incumbent judges in highly publicized races.  As a result, some pro-business groups now defend judicial elections as being pro-business. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Historically, jurisdictions with judicial elections tended to be somewhat more anti-business than those that didn&#8217;t have judicial elections.  But in recent years, voters in some moderate and conservative states (even states like Michigan and Wisconsin that have a slight liberal tilt in presidential elections) have swept out liberal, antibusiness incumbent judges in highly publicized races.  As a result, some pro-business groups now defend judicial elections as being pro-business. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: cowpill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cowpill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have personaly been on the loosing side when a &quot;Donation&quot; was made to a Judges re-election campaing. But on the flip side when you appoint you get the 9th circut.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have personaly been on the loosing side when a &#8220;Donation&#8221; was made to a Judges re-election campaing. But on the flip side when you appoint you get the 9th circut.</p>
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		By: Ted Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fact that trial lawyers are starting Astroturf campaigns to punish Paul Lembke for defying their wishes is reason enough to support him.  (The treasurer of the anti-Lembke committee is plaintiffs&#039; lawyer Paul J. Passanante.)  Walter&#039;s support of the Missouri Plan, which, as Jim notes above, has been completely captured by trial lawyers, is mysterious.  One can oppose judicial elections in principle without calling for the process to be turned over to the plaintiffs&#039; lawyers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that trial lawyers are starting Astroturf campaigns to punish Paul Lembke for defying their wishes is reason enough to support him.  (The treasurer of the anti-Lembke committee is plaintiffs&#8217; lawyer Paul J. Passanante.)  Walter&#8217;s support of the Missouri Plan, which, as Jim notes above, has been completely captured by trial lawyers, is mysterious.  One can oppose judicial elections in principle without calling for the process to be turned over to the plaintiffs&#8217; lawyers.</p>
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		By: Christoph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christoph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m an attorney from Germany who worked in California for a few months back in 1999; I&#039;m interested in the differences between the two legal systems - you learn a lot, both ways.

However, electing judges, especially having them elected by the common non-lawyer people, is a thought that all German attorneys, judges, and prosecutors I know can hardly accept as serious possibility to get them on the bench. In Germany, only the best few percent of all graduates of the final law school exams qualify for being judge or prosecutor, and they are simply hired by the states&#039; departments of interior and/or legal affairs. After a period of two years they are usually finally hired as a kind of state servants &quot;for life&quot;. So they are sure to be independent of the trial&#039;s parties.

Downside: A middle-aged judge who sees himself already at the highest step of his career ladder may be a bit slower and lazy...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an attorney from Germany who worked in California for a few months back in 1999; I&#8217;m interested in the differences between the two legal systems &#8211; you learn a lot, both ways.</p>
<p>However, electing judges, especially having them elected by the common non-lawyer people, is a thought that all German attorneys, judges, and prosecutors I know can hardly accept as serious possibility to get them on the bench. In Germany, only the best few percent of all graduates of the final law school exams qualify for being judge or prosecutor, and they are simply hired by the states&#8217; departments of interior and/or legal affairs. After a period of two years they are usually finally hired as a kind of state servants &#8220;for life&#8221;. So they are sure to be independent of the trial&#8217;s parties.</p>
<p>Downside: A middle-aged judge who sees himself already at the highest step of his career ladder may be a bit slower and lazy&#8230;</p>
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		By: Stop Lembke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stop Lembke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Citing his attack on the state’s judiciary and values out of touch with Missourians, the Committee to Stop Lembke was created to oppose the election of Jim Lembke to the State Senate.  Rep. Jim Lembke has proposed eliminating the Missouri Nonpartisan Court Plan, which has protected Missouri courts for nearly seven decades by requiring the selection of judges based on merit rather than on political affiliation.  Check out this campaign here - www.stoplembke.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citing his attack on the state’s judiciary and values out of touch with Missourians, the Committee to Stop Lembke was created to oppose the election of Jim Lembke to the State Senate.  Rep. Jim Lembke has proposed eliminating the Missouri Nonpartisan Court Plan, which has protected Missouri courts for nearly seven decades by requiring the selection of judges based on merit rather than on political affiliation.  Check out this campaign here &#8211; <a href="http://www.stoplembke.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.stoplembke.com/</a></p>
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		By: Timothy E. Harris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy E. Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A middle road that seems to work well where I have seen it implemented is appointed judges who must periodically pass a retention election.

Retention elections allow us to remove the rare really awful judge from the bench if need be without the downsides of having judges elected in a partisan election.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A middle road that seems to work well where I have seen it implemented is appointed judges who must periodically pass a retention election.</p>
<p>Retention elections allow us to remove the rare really awful judge from the bench if need be without the downsides of having judges elected in a partisan election.</p>
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		By: K.O. Myers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K.O. Myers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Bumper&lt;/b&gt;, I think it&#039;s worth noting that, at least in Pennsylvania, most of the daily and weekly newspapers that have expressed an opinion about judicial selection have editorialized in favor of a Merit Selection system. Very few of them have written in favor of keeping judicial elections.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bumper</b>, I think it&#8217;s worth noting that, at least in Pennsylvania, most of the daily and weekly newspapers that have expressed an opinion about judicial selection have editorialized in favor of a Merit Selection system. Very few of them have written in favor of keeping judicial elections.</p>
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		By: Shira Goodman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shira Goodman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this thoughtful examination of the debate over judicial selection.  Pennsylvanians for Modern Courts and PMCAction advocate for instituting a merit selection system for Pennsylvania&#039;s appellate courts.  Our Coalition of supporters include many business groups and organizations that share your view about the best way to get good judges on fair courts. The escalating &quot;arms race&quot; of fundraising for judicial campaigns is burdensome for businesses and others and undermines public confidence in the judiciary.  For more information about the reform effort in Pennsylvania, visit http://www.judgesonmerit.org.]]>/</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this thoughtful examination of the debate over judicial selection.  Pennsylvanians for Modern Courts and PMCAction advocate for instituting a merit selection system for Pennsylvania&#8217;s appellate courts.  Our Coalition of supporters include many business groups and organizations that share your view about the best way to get good judges on fair courts. The escalating &#8220;arms race&#8221; of fundraising for judicial campaigns is burdensome for businesses and others and undermines public confidence in the judiciary.  For more information about the reform effort in Pennsylvania, visit <a href="http://www.judgesonmerit.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.judgesonmerit.org/</a>.</p>
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		By: demosthenes.or.locke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[demosthenes.or.locke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[West Virginian here.  Appointment might not be the ideal solution, but it is a hell of a lot better than electing them.  Between the plaintiffs&#039; bar and business interests, the cost of buying a judge has skyrocketed in this state!  Whats an average citizen to do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>West Virginian here.  Appointment might not be the ideal solution, but it is a hell of a lot better than electing them.  Between the plaintiffs&#8217; bar and business interests, the cost of buying a judge has skyrocketed in this state!  Whats an average citizen to do?</p>
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		By: Jim Copland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Copland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[To be cross-posted in more detail at Point of Law.]

Readers should also be aware that this topic also came up in last week&#039;s excellent NewTalk.org discussion of judicial activism. (See: http://newtalk.org/2008/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-courts.php.)

Our friend Ted Frank had this to say:

Robert Joffe suggests that the problem with judges is that they are largely selected through &quot;elections or political appointments, rather than true merit selection.&quot; I query what he means by &quot;true merit selection.&quot; Missouri ostensibly has a &quot;merit selection&quot; process that is often held up as a model, but one sees no indication that Missouri judges are superior to other judges. Indeed, the Missouri merit selection process has been notoriously captured by the special interest of the plaintiffs&#039; bar.

On the Missouri point, Ted linked to the following Federalist Society report: http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/PubID.90/pub_detail.asp.

The report notes in part:

The classic study of the first 25 years of merit selection in Missouri is a book by Richard A. Watson &#038; Rondal G. Downing, The Politics of the Bench and the Bar (1969). A recent textbook summarizes their findings as follows:

[I]n the process of selecting lawyer members of the nominating commissions, attorneys tended to split into two groups [plaintiffs’ lawyers and defense lawyers], much in the manner of a traditional two-party system. Far from bringing more Aprofessional values to bear on the selection process, the attorneys tended to focus on more tangible selection criteria, in particular the socioeconomic interests of their clients . . . . As it turned out, these competing plaintiff and defendant bar interests were about equally successful in obtaining commission seats, the result being a rather well-balanced two-party competition in the Kansas City and St. Louis bars.

Thus, far from taking judicial selection out of politics, the Missouri Plan actually tended to replace politics, wherein the judge faces popular election (or selection by a popularly elected official), with a somewhat subterranean process of bar and bench politics, in which there is little popular control.

It appears that the situation in Missouri has deteriorated even further since Watson and Downidle wrote in 1969. In a recent Rule of Law column in the Wall Street Journal, Elliot Kaplan opined that Missouri is Acreeping up on our famous brethren Alabama and Texas in the adoption of inefficient tort law. According to this Kansas City lawyer, Missouri currently suffers from runaway jury verdicts, a judiciary afraid to make necessary reforms, and a legislature and state government controlled by the plaintiffs’ bar.&quot; Kaplan notes the increase in large damage awards by Missouri juries, explaining that in 1995 four of the six largest jury verdicts in the country were awarded in Missouri.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[To be cross-posted in more detail at Point of Law.]</p>
<p>Readers should also be aware that this topic also came up in last week&#8217;s excellent NewTalk.org discussion of judicial activism. (See: <a href="http://newtalk.org/2008/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-courts.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://newtalk.org/2008/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-courts.php</a>.)</p>
<p>Our friend Ted Frank had this to say:</p>
<p>Robert Joffe suggests that the problem with judges is that they are largely selected through &#8220;elections or political appointments, rather than true merit selection.&#8221; I query what he means by &#8220;true merit selection.&#8221; Missouri ostensibly has a &#8220;merit selection&#8221; process that is often held up as a model, but one sees no indication that Missouri judges are superior to other judges. Indeed, the Missouri merit selection process has been notoriously captured by the special interest of the plaintiffs&#8217; bar.</p>
<p>On the Missouri point, Ted linked to the following Federalist Society report: <a href="http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/PubID.90/pub_detail.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/PubID.90/pub_detail.asp</a>.</p>
<p>The report notes in part:</p>
<p>The classic study of the first 25 years of merit selection in Missouri is a book by Richard A. Watson &amp; Rondal G. Downing, The Politics of the Bench and the Bar (1969). A recent textbook summarizes their findings as follows:</p>
<p>[I]n the process of selecting lawyer members of the nominating commissions, attorneys tended to split into two groups [plaintiffs’ lawyers and defense lawyers], much in the manner of a traditional two-party system. Far from bringing more Aprofessional values to bear on the selection process, the attorneys tended to focus on more tangible selection criteria, in particular the socioeconomic interests of their clients . . . . As it turned out, these competing plaintiff and defendant bar interests were about equally successful in obtaining commission seats, the result being a rather well-balanced two-party competition in the Kansas City and St. Louis bars.</p>
<p>Thus, far from taking judicial selection out of politics, the Missouri Plan actually tended to replace politics, wherein the judge faces popular election (or selection by a popularly elected official), with a somewhat subterranean process of bar and bench politics, in which there is little popular control.</p>
<p>It appears that the situation in Missouri has deteriorated even further since Watson and Downidle wrote in 1969. In a recent Rule of Law column in the Wall Street Journal, Elliot Kaplan opined that Missouri is Acreeping up on our famous brethren Alabama and Texas in the adoption of inefficient tort law. According to this Kansas City lawyer, Missouri currently suffers from runaway jury verdicts, a judiciary afraid to make necessary reforms, and a legislature and state government controlled by the plaintiffs’ bar.&#8221; Kaplan notes the increase in large damage awards by Missouri juries, explaining that in 1995 four of the six largest jury verdicts in the country were awarded in Missouri.</p>
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