Comments on: Defensive training dept.: University of Iowa and Arthur H. Miller https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/ Chronicling the high cost of our legal system Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:07:21 +0000 hourly 1 By: IA Hawk https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27679 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:07:21 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27679 It doesn’t matter whether the girls were “of age” or “consentual” – the major problem here is the fact that he is a professor: he is in a respected position of authority and is using that authority to receive sexual favors. Teachers at any level are expected to conduct themselves in such a way that upholds moral and ethical values. He conducted himself in the complete opposite manner by not only abusing his students but abusing his position and disgracing and embarassing the U of I.

]]> By: Deoxy https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27345 Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:23:36 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27345

If he’d asked for money instead of a little action, would y’all still insist there was nothing wrong here? Misogynists.

So, we don’t see things your way, therefore we are sexist? Nice argument.

Actually, if you’ll read what people are saying, I don’t think anyone has said that there was “nothing wrong here”, only that the charges being levelled against him seem wrong for what he did.

If a female professor did something like this to male students and was charged similarly, my reaction would still be the same. By definition then, this is not misogyny.

I would think soliciting bribes would be a more appropriate charge

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this sort of conduct could result in prostitution-related charges

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If he’s an agent of a public institution, why wouldn’t bribery be appropriate? He’s no longer just a private citizen.

are all good examples of an argument that does not amount to simple name-calling. As it happens, I think they all make some sense. Funny how that works. :-/

]]> By: Paul https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27192 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:09:54 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27192 If he’s an agent of a public institution, why wouldn’t bribery be appropriate? He’s no longer just a private citizen. After all, all the lawsuits about what is and is not Constitutionally protected speech on campus and in the classroom, etc. are necessarily predicated on the idea that the schools are government institutions.

]]> By: The Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27184 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:01:03 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27184 Regarding the appropriateness of criminal charges, depending on how broadly a given jurisdiction’s law is written, this sort of conduct could result in prostitution-related charges as well (i.e., against the professor for seeking sex in exchange for something of value). Were I a DA in Texas, for example, I’d feel comfortable prosecuting such a case under Tex. Penal Code 43.02. I’m not positive it would stick; but, unless there’s some contrary case law, such a charge seems far from frivolous. Iowa’s Criminal Code provision (725.1) seems similarly broad.

]]> By: Heather https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27182 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:34:11 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27182 If he’d asked for money instead of a little action, would y’all still insist there was nothing wrong here? Misogynists.

]]> By: Insomniac https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27177 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:14:00 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27177 Sorry, hit “return” prematurely. I would think soliciting bribes would be a more appropriate charge(unless there’s no criminal classification for that in Iowa).

]]> By: Insomniac https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27176 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:08:56 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27176

“appropriately resulting in criminal charges”

I don’t think criminal charges are appropriate in this case. Presumably the girls were over the age of consent.

JTT on August 15th, 2008

The charges were for accepting bribes, not sexual assault.

]]> By: Deoxy https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27172 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:37:29 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27172 Yeah, I’m not sure criminal charges are correct, either. Surely what he did was aweful, and I am open to the possibility of some kind of extortion charge, perhaps (it’s conceivable, anyway), but a criminal bribery charge? There are lots of things private citizens do with other private citizens that could be considered a “bribe”, but that’s not the term or charges we generally apply, right?

]]> By: William Nuesslein https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27167 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:21:17 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27167 What was the uptake rate for the offer?

]]> By: JTT https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/08/defensive-training-dept-university-of-iowa-and-arthur-h-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-27156 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:44:28 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7414#comment-27156 “appropriately resulting in criminal charges”

I don’t think criminal charges are appropriate in this case. Presumably the girls were over the age of consent.

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