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		By: The Shield of Achilles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Shield of Achilles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Weekly round up...&lt;/strong&gt;

South Carolina, USA: In Hilton Head, a fourth-grade student is suspended for having the blade from a broken pencil sharpener in school, followed by a storm of outraged calls and emails to the school. In response, the principal wrote a letter of expla.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Weekly round up&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>South Carolina, USA: In Hilton Head, a fourth-grade student is suspended for having the blade from a broken pencil sharpener in school, followed by a storm of outraged calls and emails to the school. In response, the principal wrote a letter of expla&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/09/broken-pencil-sharpener/comment-page-1/#comment-29139</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Poser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tracy,

I don&#039;t think that I owe anyone an apology. There are certainly many teachers who are bright and altruistic. Some of them are even well educated. Many of them, however, are not. As Deoxy says, statistically, schools of education have lower requirements for admission than others. Education majors have lower averages in courses shared with others and are frequently offered special, easier courses since they do so poorly in the regular courses in the same subject. I have personally experienced this as an instructor and discussed it with others.

Secondly, regardless of their inherent ability, the curricula that teachers are required to take are mind-numbing. The BS level is very high and the exposure to important concepts limited. I have personal knowledge of the kind of education that teachers receive about linguistics and reading, for example, and it is generally pathetic. 

In any case, I was talking specifically about administrators. Again, there are exceptions, but my experience is that those who go into administration tend not to be the best teachers and tend not to be the brightest and best in other respects.

Bill]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that I owe anyone an apology. There are certainly many teachers who are bright and altruistic. Some of them are even well educated. Many of them, however, are not. As Deoxy says, statistically, schools of education have lower requirements for admission than others. Education majors have lower averages in courses shared with others and are frequently offered special, easier courses since they do so poorly in the regular courses in the same subject. I have personally experienced this as an instructor and discussed it with others.</p>
<p>Secondly, regardless of their inherent ability, the curricula that teachers are required to take are mind-numbing. The BS level is very high and the exposure to important concepts limited. I have personal knowledge of the kind of education that teachers receive about linguistics and reading, for example, and it is generally pathetic. </p>
<p>In any case, I was talking specifically about administrators. Again, there are exceptions, but my experience is that those who go into administration tend not to be the best teachers and tend not to be the brightest and best in other respects.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		By: Todd Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those who can, do...However, I go no further.  My brother is a headmaster with credentials from Johns Hopkins.  He&#039;s pretty bright - very bright IMO.  One of my best friends is a high school teacher and vice principal (and huge stoner).  He&#039;s bright but also foolish.  I once dated a girl who is also a teacher/school administrator - she&#039;s as smart as a box of hammers - but doesn&#039;t smoke dope.  Point: you get all kinds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who can, do&#8230;However, I go no further.  My brother is a headmaster with credentials from Johns Hopkins.  He&#8217;s pretty bright &#8211; very bright IMO.  One of my best friends is a high school teacher and vice principal (and huge stoner).  He&#8217;s bright but also foolish.  I once dated a girl who is also a teacher/school administrator &#8211; she&#8217;s as smart as a box of hammers &#8211; but doesn&#8217;t smoke dope.  Point: you get all kinds.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It takes an awful lot of balls as an educator to insist that teachers are “not bright”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Statistically speaking, teachers are the among &quot;least bright&quot; of people attending college - it is the &quot;fall back&quot; position for many, and it has the easiest requirements (in many cases).

That is not to say that any individual teacher is less intelligent, or that teachers are unimportant.

Indeed, it could easily be read as an indictment against the college/university system, that teaching degrees often have easier courses.  I certainly consider it a flaw of the &quot;higher education&quot; system in this country (one flaw among many, sadly).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It takes an awful lot of balls as an educator to insist that teachers are “not bright”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Statistically speaking, teachers are the among &#8220;least bright&#8221; of people attending college &#8211; it is the &#8220;fall back&#8221; position for many, and it has the easiest requirements (in many cases).</p>
<p>That is not to say that any individual teacher is less intelligent, or that teachers are unimportant.</p>
<p>Indeed, it could easily be read as an indictment against the college/university system, that teaching degrees often have easier courses.  I certainly consider it a flaw of the &#8220;higher education&#8221; system in this country (one flaw among many, sadly).</p>
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		By: ShelbyC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ShelbyC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What would have happened if this boy decided to bully someone with that blade?&quot;

The &quot;victim&quot; would laugh in his face?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What would have happened if this boy decided to bully someone with that blade?&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;victim&#8221; would laugh in his face?</p>
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		By: Tracy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill Poser.

It takes an awful lot of balls as an educator to insist that teachers are &quot;not bright&quot;.  I guess not everyone can be an MIT grad, but there are an awful lot of bright people who go in to education for a variety of reasons, including an altruistic desire to help society.  Sadly the system in place punishes teachers for inaction when anyone remotely poses a minor threat, so they must overreact.  

I think you owe an apology to educators everywhere for the ignorance of your statement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Poser.</p>
<p>It takes an awful lot of balls as an educator to insist that teachers are &#8220;not bright&#8221;.  I guess not everyone can be an MIT grad, but there are an awful lot of bright people who go in to education for a variety of reasons, including an altruistic desire to help society.  Sadly the system in place punishes teachers for inaction when anyone remotely poses a minor threat, so they must overreact.  </p>
<p>I think you owe an apology to educators everywhere for the ignorance of your statement.</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What if he decided to bully?&quot; etc, etc

Then he could have used a pencil.  Or any of a dozen other common things in the school environment, most of which would make a BETTER weapon than a tiny bit of metal which one would have difficulty brandishing without cutting one&#039;s self.

And if they didn&#039;t have a &quot;zero tolerance&quot; policy (while acting as stupidly as if they did), then it&#039;s actually even worse (didn&#039;t think that was possible).

Of course, this still isn&#039;t as bad as the kid who received similar treatment for having some nails in his backpack... not that I take any comfort in that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What if he decided to bully?&#8221; etc, etc</p>
<p>Then he could have used a pencil.  Or any of a dozen other common things in the school environment, most of which would make a BETTER weapon than a tiny bit of metal which one would have difficulty brandishing without cutting one&#8217;s self.</p>
<p>And if they didn&#8217;t have a &#8220;zero tolerance&#8221; policy (while acting as stupidly as if they did), then it&#8217;s actually even worse (didn&#8217;t think that was possible).</p>
<p>Of course, this still isn&#8217;t as bad as the kid who received similar treatment for having some nails in his backpack&#8230; not that I take any comfort in that.</p>
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		By: PS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[fed up from SC - 
&quot;What if he decided to bully&quot;? Nowhere in the story does it say that he did decide to. It seems that you favour the idea of punishing people even for the wrong they don&#039;t decide to do. If you want to be Big Brother go live in North Korea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fed up from SC &#8211;<br />
&#8220;What if he decided to bully&#8221;? Nowhere in the story does it say that he did decide to. It seems that you favour the idea of punishing people even for the wrong they don&#8217;t decide to do. If you want to be Big Brother go live in North Korea.</p>
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		By: John Rohan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Rohan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Gitarcarver is just trying to provoke a response, but I&#039;ll bite. Question: If they weren&#039;t concerned about it&#039;s cutting ability or possible use as a weapon, then just what do you think they were so freaked out about? It&#039;s narcotic effects? The pornographic aspect? I&#039;m curious what creative other use you would attribute to it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Gitarcarver is just trying to provoke a response, but I&#8217;ll bite. Question: If they weren&#8217;t concerned about it&#8217;s cutting ability or possible use as a weapon, then just what do you think they were so freaked out about? It&#8217;s narcotic effects? The pornographic aspect? I&#8217;m curious what creative other use you would attribute to it.</p>
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		By: gitarcarver		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The newspaper article.&lt;/i&gt;

Really?  Where is the word &quot;weapon&quot; in the newspaper article?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The newspaper article.</i></p>
<p>Really?  Where is the word &#8220;weapon&#8221; in the newspaper article?</p>
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