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		By: Buffalo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buffalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/ontarioniagara/story/423487.html

Canadians rescued from river become snarled in federal illegal entry case

By Dan Herbeck BUFFALO NEWS STAFF REPORTER 
Updated: 08/26/08 6:56 AM 

... A. J. Price, a U. S. Border Patrol spokesman, said Jason Haist, 29, and his 21-year-old cousin, both of the Toronto area, were released without bail late Monday afternoon. 

“They face noncriminal administrative charges and will be required to attend a removal hearing in Immigration Court,” Price said. “They were charged because we have evidence that, before the accident, they made landfall in the U. S. without reporting in.” 

...Efforts by The Buffalo News to reach Kerr and the Haists were unsuccessful. 

...The Border Patrol officer added that Price said the two other people rescued after the accident were not charged because authorities found no evidence they had entered the country illegally.

[NOTE: &lt;em&gt;shortened to avoid superfluous use of copyrighted material; please follow link to read entire story&lt;/em&gt;]]]></description>
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<p>Canadians rescued from river become snarled in federal illegal entry case</p>
<p>By Dan Herbeck BUFFALO NEWS STAFF REPORTER<br />
Updated: 08/26/08 6:56 AM </p>
<p>&#8230; A. J. Price, a U. S. Border Patrol spokesman, said Jason Haist, 29, and his 21-year-old cousin, both of the Toronto area, were released without bail late Monday afternoon. </p>
<p>“They face noncriminal administrative charges and will be required to attend a removal hearing in Immigration Court,” Price said. “They were charged because we have evidence that, before the accident, they made landfall in the U. S. without reporting in.” </p>
<p>&#8230;Efforts by The Buffalo News to reach Kerr and the Haists were unsuccessful. </p>
<p>&#8230;The Border Patrol officer added that Price said the two other people rescued after the accident were not charged because authorities found no evidence they had entered the country illegally.</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/09/entering-the-us-illegally/comment-page-1/#comment-28657</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Poser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Buffalo,

What is the source of the claim that they landed in the US before the accident?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buffalo,</p>
<p>What is the source of the claim that they landed in the US before the accident?</p>
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		By: Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/09/entering-the-us-illegally/comment-page-1/#comment-28639</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found this story over at vdare.com which made some valid points contrasting the hordes of Mexicans deliberately crossing the southern border with no intention of returning home. The few illegal entrants that are caught, are simply released and sent back to Mexico, while estimates of about 10,000 illegal entries  are made every day (repeat - every day) from the Mexican side. Yet the U.S. authorities create a huge international fuss over (2) two Canadian jet-skiers living comfortable lives in their own country who found themselves in distress on the U.S. side of the river. Amazing! Twenty million illegal aliens walking around U.S. streets without any concerted effort in deporting them, yet 2 Canadians deserve this abomination??

The reason this story got any publicity at all, is because the two Canadians had their families back home, notify the newspapers and the Canadian consulate about this absurdity.

Perhaps the the bozos responsible for arresting the two Canadian jet-skiers could learn a lesson in maritime history of a little-known event during WWII when Newfoundlanders portrayed true valor on the sub-freezing winter night of Feb. 18, 1942 by rescuing 186 American sailors from the U.S.S. Truxtun and U.S.S. Pollux that had run aground. (Another 293 U.S. sailors died that night)

Your history lesson can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discoverstlawrence.com/truxton_pollux.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this story over at vdare.com which made some valid points contrasting the hordes of Mexicans deliberately crossing the southern border with no intention of returning home. The few illegal entrants that are caught, are simply released and sent back to Mexico, while estimates of about 10,000 illegal entries  are made every day (repeat &#8211; every day) from the Mexican side. Yet the U.S. authorities create a huge international fuss over (2) two Canadian jet-skiers living comfortable lives in their own country who found themselves in distress on the U.S. side of the river. Amazing! Twenty million illegal aliens walking around U.S. streets without any concerted effort in deporting them, yet 2 Canadians deserve this abomination??</p>
<p>The reason this story got any publicity at all, is because the two Canadians had their families back home, notify the newspapers and the Canadian consulate about this absurdity.</p>
<p>Perhaps the the bozos responsible for arresting the two Canadian jet-skiers could learn a lesson in maritime history of a little-known event during WWII when Newfoundlanders portrayed true valor on the sub-freezing winter night of Feb. 18, 1942 by rescuing 186 American sailors from the U.S.S. Truxtun and U.S.S. Pollux that had run aground. (Another 293 U.S. sailors died that night)</p>
<p>Your history lesson can be found <a href="http://www.discoverstlawrence.com/truxton_pollux.htm" rel="nofollow">HERE</a></p>
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		By: Buffalo		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/09/entering-the-us-illegally/comment-page-1/#comment-28600</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buffalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The link to the two selected stories is problematic, because neither outlines the reason that there were administrative (not criminal) immigration charges filed:  before the accident/injury, there was reportedly evidence that they landed on the US side without reporting in.  Everyone knows that if you sail, boat, or ski across the river and land, whether in the San Juan Islands, the Niagara River, the Great Lakes, or the St Lawrence Seaway, you need to immediately call in to report and wait to be cleared.  They allegedly didn&#039;t, and that is why they were arrested.  So most of the outrage at this is misplaced and uninformed. 

As to how discretion was exercised in the face of the clear violation, they were released very shortly thereafter.  While it could have been handled without arrest (there is discretion not to charge and not to take someone into custody even if here illegally), they would not be the first non-US residents to be overcharged.  And, some discretion was exercised by the relatively quick release and by not filing criminal charges.  So ultimately people can disagree with how much exercise discretion was or was not exercised, but there isn&#039;t much to be outraged about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to the two selected stories is problematic, because neither outlines the reason that there were administrative (not criminal) immigration charges filed:  before the accident/injury, there was reportedly evidence that they landed on the US side without reporting in.  Everyone knows that if you sail, boat, or ski across the river and land, whether in the San Juan Islands, the Niagara River, the Great Lakes, or the St Lawrence Seaway, you need to immediately call in to report and wait to be cleared.  They allegedly didn&#8217;t, and that is why they were arrested.  So most of the outrage at this is misplaced and uninformed. </p>
<p>As to how discretion was exercised in the face of the clear violation, they were released very shortly thereafter.  While it could have been handled without arrest (there is discretion not to charge and not to take someone into custody even if here illegally), they would not be the first non-US residents to be overcharged.  And, some discretion was exercised by the relatively quick release and by not filing criminal charges.  So ultimately people can disagree with how much exercise discretion was or was not exercised, but there isn&#8217;t much to be outraged about.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t think that they would be arrested, but I would hope that they would be isolated until they are checked out and sent back to Canada.

I would be concerned with a crime of opportunity.

I don&#039;t think that you would have terrorist worries, but survivors could try and take advantage of  the crash, or even worse, they could become victoms of people in this country.

Although an obviously vanishingly small risk, I would hope that our Government could expedite clearing everyone(Yeah, right!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t think that they would be arrested, but I would hope that they would be isolated until they are checked out and sent back to Canada.</p>
<p>I would be concerned with a crime of opportunity.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that you would have terrorist worries, but survivors could try and take advantage of  the crash, or even worse, they could become victoms of people in this country.</p>
<p>Although an obviously vanishingly small risk, I would hope that our Government could expedite clearing everyone(Yeah, right!)</p>
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		By: Deoxy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deoxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Only the non-Mexican citizens - the INS seems to be completely blind to Mexican citizens 99% of the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only the non-Mexican citizens &#8211; the INS seems to be completely blind to Mexican citizens 99% of the time.</p>
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		By: Mark Biggar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Biggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops, I meant to say &quot;Toronto-Mexico City plane flight crash&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I meant to say &#8220;Toronto-Mexico City plane flight crash&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Mark Biggar		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2008/09/entering-the-us-illegally/comment-page-1/#comment-28569</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Biggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Surely, there must be an exception for accidents or emergencies.  Would the INS really try to detain and charge all the non-US citizen victims from a Toronto-Mexico City plane flight?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, there must be an exception for accidents or emergencies.  Would the INS really try to detain and charge all the non-US citizen victims from a Toronto-Mexico City plane flight?</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Poser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I&#039;m aware of the fact that the international boundary runs through the middle of the river, but people crossing the mid-line of the river are not charged with illegal entry into the United States. Indeed, one of the articles mentions that the jet skier had checked on this with the US authorities prior to entering the water and was told that it was alright to enter US waters so long as he did not land.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of the fact that the international boundary runs through the middle of the river, but people crossing the mid-line of the river are not charged with illegal entry into the United States. Indeed, one of the articles mentions that the jet skier had checked on this with the US authorities prior to entering the water and was told that it was alright to enter US waters so long as he did not land.</p>
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		By: John Burgess		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Burgess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What CB said.

Oceanic coastlines are different from riverine borders. Generally speaking, borders in rivers run down the middle of the river. One exception is the Potomac, where Virginia owns the river where it borders DC. Unless you fish from the DC shoreline, for instance, you need a Virginia fishing license.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What CB said.</p>
<p>Oceanic coastlines are different from riverine borders. Generally speaking, borders in rivers run down the middle of the river. One exception is the Potomac, where Virginia owns the river where it borders DC. Unless you fish from the DC shoreline, for instance, you need a Virginia fishing license.</p>
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