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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although several stories do indeed mention the &quot;Jingle Bell Festival&quot; issue in the context of copyright, I note that none of them is a technical discussion by a lawyer and that non-lawyers often confuse copyright and trademark. I just searched the USPTO database and found two trademark registrations for &quot;Jingle Bell Festival&quot;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&#038;state=pr9sk0.2.1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;	77602844&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&#038;state=pr9sk0.2.2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;	77250093&lt;/a&gt;. The former is for &quot;Advertising namely, promoting &quot;Jingle Bells&quot; song in association with Valdosta, Georgia Composer&#039;s residence through the distribution of printed and audio promotional materials and by rendering sales promotion advice&quot;. It looks to me like this one might not apply to the festival in question. The latter is for: &quot;Organizing community festivals featuring a variety of activities, namely sporting events, art exhibitions, flea markets, ethnic dances and the like&quot;. It looks like it would apply, but was abandoned on 2008-05-21.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although several stories do indeed mention the &#8220;Jingle Bell Festival&#8221; issue in the context of copyright, I note that none of them is a technical discussion by a lawyer and that non-lawyers often confuse copyright and trademark. I just searched the USPTO database and found two trademark registrations for &#8220;Jingle Bell Festival&#8221;: <a href="http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&amp;state=pr9sk0.2.1" rel="nofollow">	77602844</a> and <a href="http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&amp;state=pr9sk0.2.2" rel="nofollow">	77250093</a>. The former is for &#8220;Advertising namely, promoting &#8220;Jingle Bells&#8221; song in association with Valdosta, Georgia Composer&#8217;s residence through the distribution of printed and audio promotional materials and by rendering sales promotion advice&#8221;. It looks to me like this one might not apply to the festival in question. The latter is for: &#8220;Organizing community festivals featuring a variety of activities, namely sporting events, art exhibitions, flea markets, ethnic dances and the like&#8221;. It looks like it would apply, but was abandoned on 2008-05-21.</p>
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		By: cell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to everything I&#039;ve read, they just copyrighted, no mentions of trademark at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to everything I&#8217;ve read, they just copyrighted, no mentions of trademark at all.</p>
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		By: Bill Poser		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[cell,

Is the name &quot;Jingle Bells Festival&quot; copyrighted or trademarked? Titles of literary works are not subject to copyright - I don&#039;t think that titles of festivals are subject to copyright either. Is this actually a trademark?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cell,</p>
<p>Is the name &#8220;Jingle Bells Festival&#8221; copyrighted or trademarked? Titles of literary works are not subject to copyright &#8211; I don&#8217;t think that titles of festivals are subject to copyright either. Is this actually a trademark?</p>
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		By: cell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After more research, it seems that Black Crow Media copyrighted the name &quot;JIngle Bells Festival&quot; and the idea of running a festival with that name.  That is ridiculous, the city should have gone to trail and not settled out of court on this thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After more research, it seems that Black Crow Media copyrighted the name &#8220;JIngle Bells Festival&#8221; and the idea of running a festival with that name.  That is ridiculous, the city should have gone to trail and not settled out of court on this thing.</p>
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		By: cell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The first article is quite sparse on details.  On what legal theory are the lawyers claiming that calling something the Jingle Bell Festival would violate someones rights, since Jingle Bells was copyrighted on September 16, 1857.  Back then, the copyright term was very limited from what I remember.  And even giving the benefit of the doubt and putting it under modern copyright rules (life of the author 75 years) the song is clearly in the public domain since the author died in 1893, 115 years ago.

Or is this another one of those, can&#039;t use any Christmas terms when naming stuff for fear of offending non-Christians?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first article is quite sparse on details.  On what legal theory are the lawyers claiming that calling something the Jingle Bell Festival would violate someones rights, since Jingle Bells was copyrighted on September 16, 1857.  Back then, the copyright term was very limited from what I remember.  And even giving the benefit of the doubt and putting it under modern copyright rules (life of the author 75 years) the song is clearly in the public domain since the author died in 1893, 115 years ago.</p>
<p>Or is this another one of those, can&#8217;t use any Christmas terms when naming stuff for fear of offending non-Christians?</p>
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		By: Todd Rogers		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frank Pasquale: First regulate it, then tax it, then create an argument that it&#039;s contributing to climate change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Pasquale: First regulate it, then tax it, then create an argument that it&#8217;s contributing to climate change.</p>
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