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		By: CPSIA chronicles, February 27		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CPSIA chronicles, February 27]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] appear now to be unlawful when intended primarily for under-12 use. And visitor &#8220;Scott&#8221; wrote last week in our comments section:  What still amazes me is that the story about ballpoint pens being in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] appear now to be unlawful when intended primarily for under-12 use. And visitor &#8220;Scott&#8221; wrote last week in our comments section:  What still amazes me is that the story about ballpoint pens being in [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: CPSIA: &#8220;What&#8217;s so sad is that books aren&#8217;t dangerous&#8221;		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] a &#8220;Last Updated&#8221; date of February 19, which indicates that it has been changed since we last had occasion to discuss it; at a brief glance, some of the dismissive language I and others found so objectionable seems no [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a &#8220;Last Updated&#8221; date of February 19, which indicates that it has been changed since we last had occasion to discuss it; at a brief glance, some of the dismissive language I and others found so objectionable seems no [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Lori White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another side benefit to larger manufacturers was the fact that CPSIA solved a growing problem for them by providing federal preemption of the dozens of state laws springing up regarding phthalates in toys.   Lead, for the big guys, is a total non-issue.   By early 2008  national toy manufacturers had already prepared themselves for California&#039;s phthalate standard, but states like Washignton and Connecticut began to pass their own legislation (and, if I recall correctly, 5 more states had legislation pending) in response to what they saw (perhaps correctly) as CPSC&#039;s inaction, and toy companies faced a nightmare patchwork of  state regualtions.   Since the proposed federal regulation was something they fully expected and were able to live with, it was certainly better, from their perspective, to get the federal legislation passed quickly before any more states came on line with their own regs.   If they *had* designed it, it couldn&#039;t have worked out any better.  The states were shut out of crafting their own toy regulations, and meanwhile lots of other groups - who never anticipated that &quot;toy regulations&quot; would be written to include such a vast set of non-toy items and who make up a MUCH more sympathetic face (who would be fighting this law if it were just about big toy companies?) - are doing all the dirty work lobbying to soften the law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another side benefit to larger manufacturers was the fact that CPSIA solved a growing problem for them by providing federal preemption of the dozens of state laws springing up regarding phthalates in toys.   Lead, for the big guys, is a total non-issue.   By early 2008  national toy manufacturers had already prepared themselves for California&#8217;s phthalate standard, but states like Washignton and Connecticut began to pass their own legislation (and, if I recall correctly, 5 more states had legislation pending) in response to what they saw (perhaps correctly) as CPSC&#8217;s inaction, and toy companies faced a nightmare patchwork of  state regualtions.   Since the proposed federal regulation was something they fully expected and were able to live with, it was certainly better, from their perspective, to get the federal legislation passed quickly before any more states came on line with their own regs.   If they *had* designed it, it couldn&#8217;t have worked out any better.  The states were shut out of crafting their own toy regulations, and meanwhile lots of other groups &#8211; who never anticipated that &#8220;toy regulations&#8221; would be written to include such a vast set of non-toy items and who make up a MUCH more sympathetic face (who would be fighting this law if it were just about big toy companies?) &#8211; are doing all the dirty work lobbying to soften the law.</p>
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		By: Emily		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I almost hate to suggest it, but is it possible that the ACLU could get involved because of the threat to old books?  I&#039;m not a fan, but they&#039;re loud and good attention-getters.  I&#039;ve forgotten what I did know about First Amendment law but was wondering about this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost hate to suggest it, but is it possible that the ACLU could get involved because of the threat to old books?  I&#8217;m not a fan, but they&#8217;re loud and good attention-getters.  I&#8217;ve forgotten what I did know about First Amendment law but was wondering about this.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1) I can&#039;t find any reference to books in the statute or the regulations --- has the CSPC just made up the pre-1985-books thing without actually promulgating a regulation?

2) For the consideration of an enterprising attorney with a client interested in challenging the law: Wynehamer v. New York, 2 Parker Crim. Rep. 490 (1856) (still good law!).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I can&#8217;t find any reference to books in the statute or the regulations &#8212; has the CSPC just made up the pre-1985-books thing without actually promulgating a regulation?</p>
<p>2) For the consideration of an enterprising attorney with a client interested in challenging the law: Wynehamer v. New York, 2 Parker Crim. Rep. 490 (1856) (still good law!).</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The conspiracy theory about the large toy guys driving out compitition makes no sence for two reasons:
1) The competitors are too small.
2)   The belief that lead is an absolute hazard is believed by all. Any toy maker that challenges the belief would be boiled in oil.

Christian theology held that Christ was both God and Man. One fellow said thad that Christ was God and Man at the same time. (Like Bohr&#039;s theory in Quantom Mechanics in that lighat  is both a wave and a particle at the same time.) That fellow suffered the miserable death of burning at the stake. After what Sidney Wolfe did with the breast-implant debacle, how in God&#039;s holy name can he be in my government. 

I regret the misery imposed on small businesses by the law, but it is the rejection of rationality that we should be alarmed about. It has been just a few years since the American People were worked up about the false threat of Saddam Hussein.  Nearly everybody believed that Iraq had mobile labs, terrible chemical and biological weapons, and a robust nuclear program. Perhaps one-hundred thousand people died as a consequence of American zealotry. But the American people will not take responsibility for their crazy beliefs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conspiracy theory about the large toy guys driving out compitition makes no sence for two reasons:<br />
1) The competitors are too small.<br />
2)   The belief that lead is an absolute hazard is believed by all. Any toy maker that challenges the belief would be boiled in oil.</p>
<p>Christian theology held that Christ was both God and Man. One fellow said thad that Christ was God and Man at the same time. (Like Bohr&#8217;s theory in Quantom Mechanics in that lighat  is both a wave and a particle at the same time.) That fellow suffered the miserable death of burning at the stake. After what Sidney Wolfe did with the breast-implant debacle, how in God&#8217;s holy name can he be in my government. </p>
<p>I regret the misery imposed on small businesses by the law, but it is the rejection of rationality that we should be alarmed about. It has been just a few years since the American People were worked up about the false threat of Saddam Hussein.  Nearly everybody believed that Iraq had mobile labs, terrible chemical and biological weapons, and a robust nuclear program. Perhaps one-hundred thousand people died as a consequence of American zealotry. But the American people will not take responsibility for their crazy beliefs.</p>
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		By: Happymom4		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Happymom4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More great coverage. Thanks.

My kids are happily enjoying their lead-soaked pre 1985 books. They actually treasure them now more than ever before, as they realize how easily they could be removed from them--and how unlikely it is that they&#039;ll be able to get more.

Isn&#039;t it sad when kids have to be SCARED that their books are going to be taken away by the government?

BTW, my 16 year old has tested out in the &quot;Near Brilliant&quot; category on his IQ. Doesn&#039;t seem like all these lead-loaded books have messed up his brain. ?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More great coverage. Thanks.</p>
<p>My kids are happily enjoying their lead-soaked pre 1985 books. They actually treasure them now more than ever before, as they realize how easily they could be removed from them&#8211;and how unlikely it is that they&#8217;ll be able to get more.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it sad when kids have to be SCARED that their books are going to be taken away by the government?</p>
<p>BTW, my 16 year old has tested out in the &#8220;Near Brilliant&#8221; category on his IQ. Doesn&#8217;t seem like all these lead-loaded books have messed up his brain. ?!</p>
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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What still amazes me is that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://heartkeepercommonroom.blogspot.com/2009/02/cpsia-and-ball-point-pens.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;story about ballpoint pens being in violation of the CPSIA&lt;/a&gt; isn&#039;t getting more notice. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/101faq.html#ballpointpens&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CPSC admits that ballpoint pens intended for children are covered.&lt;/a&gt; As it happens, the US trade association for the makers of pens, pencils and erasers has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia09/petition/wima.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sent a letter to the CPSC that ballpoint pens are not-compliant and no existing alloy satisfies the lead limits.&lt;/a&gt; It may take 2 years to develop an alloy, if one exists. I can only conclude that there must be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_t?url=node%3D165953011&#038;field-keywords=pen&#038;x=0&#038;y=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;very&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?num=20&#038;hl=en&#038;q=disney+ballpoint+pens&#038;btnG=Search&#038;aq=f&#038;oq=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;very&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?num=20&#038;hl=en&#038;q=school+supplies+for+teachers+pens&#038;btnG=Search&#038;aq=0&#038;oq=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;very&lt;/a&gt; many stores not in compliance and `poisoning&#039; our children with lead. Are these stores not facing &lt;a href=&quot;http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2009/01/criminal-liability-under-the-cpsia.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;strict liability and risking felony criminal liability including 5 years in prison and $250,000 fines?&lt;/a&gt; The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia09/brief/stayenforce.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stay by the CPSC&lt;/a&gt; doesn&#039;t help the pen-makers or sellers, because they&#039;re in knowing violation of the lead limits. All they can hope for is that none of the 50 state attorney generals decides to prosecute what would appear to be a slam-dunk case. There is a chance that the CPSC may eventually decide to make an exemption for pens, however &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/101lead.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the CPSC admits that its staff is `not yet aware of any substance as to which the required showing [of no absorption of any lead into the human body] can be made.&#039;.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What still amazes me is that the <a href="http://heartkeepercommonroom.blogspot.com/2009/02/cpsia-and-ball-point-pens.html" rel="nofollow">story about ballpoint pens being in violation of the CPSIA</a> isn&#8217;t getting more notice. The <a href="http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/101faq.html#ballpointpens" rel="nofollow">CPSC admits that ballpoint pens intended for children are covered.</a> As it happens, the US trade association for the makers of pens, pencils and erasers has <a href="http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia09/petition/wima.pdf" rel="nofollow">sent a letter to the CPSC that ballpoint pens are not-compliant and no existing alloy satisfies the lead limits.</a> It may take 2 years to develop an alloy, if one exists. I can only conclude that there must be <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_t?url=node%3D165953011&amp;field-keywords=pen&amp;x=0&amp;y=0" rel="nofollow">very</a> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?num=20&amp;hl=en&amp;q=disney+ballpoint+pens&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" rel="nofollow">very</a> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?num=20&amp;hl=en&amp;q=school+supplies+for+teachers+pens&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=0&amp;oq=" rel="nofollow">very</a> many stores not in compliance and `poisoning&#8217; our children with lead. Are these stores not facing <a href="http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2009/01/criminal-liability-under-the-cpsia.html" rel="nofollow">strict liability and risking felony criminal liability including 5 years in prison and $250,000 fines?</a> The <a href="http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia09/brief/stayenforce.pdf" rel="nofollow">stay by the CPSC</a> doesn&#8217;t help the pen-makers or sellers, because they&#8217;re in knowing violation of the lead limits. All they can hope for is that none of the 50 state attorney generals decides to prosecute what would appear to be a slam-dunk case. There is a chance that the CPSC may eventually decide to make an exemption for pens, however <a href="http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/101lead.pdf" rel="nofollow">the CPSC admits that its staff is `not yet aware of any substance as to which the required showing [of no absorption of any lead into the human body] can be made.&#8217;.</a></p>
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		By: Tristan Benz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tristan Benz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve posted the following blog attack on both our legislators and our media: Cheering CPSIA Chronicles installment No. “I’ve heard enough” - kudos for your post yesterday.  

No matter how many ways there are to skin a cat, THIS CAT needs SKINNING!!  I believe, if everyday citizens knew exactly what&#039;s been taken from them &quot;on behalf of their children,&quot; they would be as steamed as this mom / business owner is.  

I will not budge from square ONE - this is a matter to be taken up by WE the people, on behalf of OUR CHIDREN.

Thanks for the roundup - it&#039;s time to circle the wagons!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted the following blog attack on both our legislators and our media: Cheering CPSIA Chronicles installment No. “I’ve heard enough” &#8211; kudos for your post yesterday.  </p>
<p>No matter how many ways there are to skin a cat, THIS CAT needs SKINNING!!  I believe, if everyday citizens knew exactly what&#8217;s been taken from them &#8220;on behalf of their children,&#8221; they would be as steamed as this mom / business owner is.  </p>
<p>I will not budge from square ONE &#8211; this is a matter to be taken up by WE the people, on behalf of OUR CHIDREN.</p>
<p>Thanks for the roundup &#8211; it&#8217;s time to circle the wagons!</p>
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		By: Coming out in force against CPSIA &#171; 5 Kids and a Dog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coming out in force against CPSIA &#171; 5 Kids and a Dog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] content, CPSIA by Momma Knows   I am noticing a lot of hits on my blog the past couple of days from Overlawyered. It&#8217;s time we do something folks. Why no one knew about this in TIME to actually fix it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] content, CPSIA by Momma Knows   I am noticing a lot of hits on my blog the past couple of days from Overlawyered. It&#8217;s time we do something folks. Why no one knew about this in TIME to actually fix it [&#8230;]</p>
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