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	Comments on: RFK Jr. at it again on hog farms	</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Agriculture News, calling them more dangerous than al Qaeda, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. admitted he hates hog farmers. However, Kennedy is still fond of the swinish Hugo Chavez, who supplies brother Joe with enough [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: giovanni da procida		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[giovanni da procida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi TC,

I didn&#039;t think god&#039;s belief had anything to do with anything.

I did ask for expertise, as opposed to a layman&#039;s view, right?  Aside from that, the author says that he (like Lindzen) thinks that anthropogenic carbon dioxide contributes some small about of warming.  He just doesn&#039;t think it&#039;s very much:

&quot;That is why the premise for my paper is as follows:

There is no doubt that CO2 is a
greenhouse gas, and it is pretty clear that CO2 produced by man has an
incremental impact on warming the Earth’s surface.  &quot;

To me this doesn&#039;t look like a debunking.  Its a &quot;the effects of AGW are small and therefore not worth the costs associated with actions suggested.&quot;  Which is totally different than MF&#039;s claim above:

&lt;b&gt;That presupposes the reality of global warming, which isn’t real. It’s been debunked so many times, by so many experts, yet most people still sing its tune. Repeat a lie enough times and people begin to believe it.&lt;/b&gt;

Find a new catechism TC.  Or better yet, read some of the scientific literature:

Orr et al. 2005 (in nature), for example on the effects of ocean acidification (acidification of seawater is easily testable.  I&#039;ve done so, and you probably could in your own kitchen).  Calcifying organisms play an important role in the biological pump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_pump)

Further outside my expertise is the review by Foukal et al. 2006 (nature) on the econnection between the sun and earth&#039;s climate.

But you won&#039;t read these, because as you say yourself:
&lt;b&gt;because like &lt;i&gt; as with belief in G&lt;/i&gt;od you either believe or you don’t!&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi TC,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think god&#8217;s belief had anything to do with anything.</p>
<p>I did ask for expertise, as opposed to a layman&#8217;s view, right?  Aside from that, the author says that he (like Lindzen) thinks that anthropogenic carbon dioxide contributes some small about of warming.  He just doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s very much:</p>
<p>&#8220;That is why the premise for my paper is as follows:</p>
<p>There is no doubt that CO2 is a<br />
greenhouse gas, and it is pretty clear that CO2 produced by man has an<br />
incremental impact on warming the Earth’s surface.  &#8221;</p>
<p>To me this doesn&#8217;t look like a debunking.  Its a &#8220;the effects of AGW are small and therefore not worth the costs associated with actions suggested.&#8221;  Which is totally different than MF&#8217;s claim above:</p>
<p><b>That presupposes the reality of global warming, which isn’t real. It’s been debunked so many times, by so many experts, yet most people still sing its tune. Repeat a lie enough times and people begin to believe it.</b></p>
<p>Find a new catechism TC.  Or better yet, read some of the scientific literature:</p>
<p>Orr et al. 2005 (in nature), for example on the effects of ocean acidification (acidification of seawater is easily testable.  I&#8217;ve done so, and you probably could in your own kitchen).  Calcifying organisms play an important role in the biological pump (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_pump" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_pump</a>)</p>
<p>Further outside my expertise is the review by Foukal et al. 2006 (nature) on the econnection between the sun and earth&#8217;s climate.</p>
<p>But you won&#8217;t read these, because as you say yourself:<br />
<b>because like <i> as with belief in G</i>od you either believe or you don’t!</b></p>
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		By: TC		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/02/rfk-jr-at-it-again-on-hog-farms/comment-page-1/#comment-39886</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here Giovanni, start here.

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/07/table-of-conten.html

Posted only to shake your faith, which it won&#039;t because like god you either believe or you don&#039;t!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here Giovanni, start here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/07/table-of-conten.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/07/table-of-conten.html</a></p>
<p>Posted only to shake your faith, which it won&#8217;t because like god you either believe or you don&#8217;t!</p>
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		By: Dirk D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dirk D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Methane as a greenhouse gas is 20 times worse as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide is.” As measured by …. what?

By Global warming potential as calculated by the IPCC. This is not particularly controversial.  Methane is typically burned (ie converted to CO2) rather than released into the atmosphere, for this and other reasons.  Methane is an excellent and efficient fuel source, when possible it should be utilized for fuel rather than pumped into the atmosphere.

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch02.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Methane as a greenhouse gas is 20 times worse as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide is.” As measured by …. what?</p>
<p>By Global warming potential as calculated by the IPCC. This is not particularly controversial.  Methane is typically burned (ie converted to CO2) rather than released into the atmosphere, for this and other reasons.  Methane is an excellent and efficient fuel source, when possible it should be utilized for fuel rather than pumped into the atmosphere.</p>
<p><a href="http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch02.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch02.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Methane as a greenhouse gas is 20 times worse as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide is.&quot;  As measured by .... what?

I don’t have any hard numbers either, but YOU, Benji, exhale surprisingly large amounts of water (THE major greenhouse gas) when you breathe.

What shall we do with you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Methane as a greenhouse gas is 20 times worse as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide is.&#8221;  As measured by &#8230;. what?</p>
<p>I don’t have any hard numbers either, but YOU, Benji, exhale surprisingly large amounts of water (THE major greenhouse gas) when you breathe.</p>
<p>What shall we do with you?</p>
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		By: Giovanni da Procida		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/02/rfk-jr-at-it-again-on-hog-farms/comment-page-1/#comment-39799</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Giovanni da Procida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi MF,

Which experts, specifically, have debunked anthropogenic global warming?  What were their qualifications?  What peer-reviewed research have they published that debunks global warming?

If you disagree with the idea that human actions are warming the globe, make that argument.  But saying that global warming &quot; isn’t real&quot; and that &quot;It’s been debunked so many times, by so many experts&quot; is simply the application of the Big Lie technique that you accuse the other side of making.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi MF,</p>
<p>Which experts, specifically, have debunked anthropogenic global warming?  What were their qualifications?  What peer-reviewed research have they published that debunks global warming?</p>
<p>If you disagree with the idea that human actions are warming the globe, make that argument.  But saying that global warming &#8221; isn’t real&#8221; and that &#8220;It’s been debunked so many times, by so many experts&#8221; is simply the application of the Big Lie technique that you accuse the other side of making.</p>
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		By: Farmmomof2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Farmmomof2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here are the facts you are requesting about is there any truth to hogs polluting more than a city of a million people...the answer is NO, Kennedy lied again.  

A study done by the University of Missouri found that daily wastewater production for 1,000 lbs of humans (assumng 150 lb per person average weight and 175 gallons per person per day) is 1,170 gallons/day compared with 9.3 gallons/day for 1,000 lbs of grow-finish pigs (average weight 150 lb per pig), a ration of 125:1.  

To put the differences in volume in perspective, all the grow-finish pigs in the state of Missouri generate less manure volume than the city of Columbia (population 92,000).  It would take 5.3 million to 11.4 million grow-finish pigs to produce the same volume of manure and wastewater as the volume of wastewater the city of Columbia treats in a day.   Pig inventory in Missouri has hovered near 3 million head in the years 2000 to 2003.  The metropolitan area of St. Louis (population 1,400,000) handles 360 million gallons of wastewater each day, or about 255 gallons per person per day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the facts you are requesting about is there any truth to hogs polluting more than a city of a million people&#8230;the answer is NO, Kennedy lied again.  </p>
<p>A study done by the University of Missouri found that daily wastewater production for 1,000 lbs of humans (assumng 150 lb per person average weight and 175 gallons per person per day) is 1,170 gallons/day compared with 9.3 gallons/day for 1,000 lbs of grow-finish pigs (average weight 150 lb per pig), a ration of 125:1.  </p>
<p>To put the differences in volume in perspective, all the grow-finish pigs in the state of Missouri generate less manure volume than the city of Columbia (population 92,000).  It would take 5.3 million to 11.4 million grow-finish pigs to produce the same volume of manure and wastewater as the volume of wastewater the city of Columbia treats in a day.   Pig inventory in Missouri has hovered near 3 million head in the years 2000 to 2003.  The metropolitan area of St. Louis (population 1,400,000) handles 360 million gallons of wastewater each day, or about 255 gallons per person per day.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll do my part........................by eating the animals that cause this godawful pollution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll do my part&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;by eating the animals that cause this godawful pollution.</p>
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		By: Todd Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I simply love bacon.  Lots of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simply love bacon.  Lots of it.</p>
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		By: MF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;livestock produce surprisingly large amounts of methane (a greenhouse gas.) &lt;/i&gt;

That presupposes the reality of global warming, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;which isn&#039;t real&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  It&#039;s been debunked so many times, by so many experts, yet most people still sing its tune.  Repeat a lie enough times and people begin to believe it.

I&#039;m all for trying to cut down on pollution through reasonable means.  Farm &quot;emissions&quot; are NOT pollution, other than maybe not being as pleasant an odor (to most) as a field of flowers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>livestock produce surprisingly large amounts of methane (a greenhouse gas.) </i></p>
<p>That presupposes the reality of global warming, <b><i>which isn&#8217;t real</i></b>.  It&#8217;s been debunked so many times, by so many experts, yet most people still sing its tune.  Repeat a lie enough times and people begin to believe it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for trying to cut down on pollution through reasonable means.  Farm &#8220;emissions&#8221; are NOT pollution, other than maybe not being as pleasant an odor (to most) as a field of flowers.</p>
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