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		By: An Explosion of Litigation&#160;&#124;&#160;OpenMarket.org		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] state attorney generals and their trial lawyer allies broad new powers to bring lawsuits over toys, clothes, and books, resulting in children&#8217;s books being thrown out and pulled from library shelves by [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] state attorney generals and their trial lawyer allies broad new powers to bring lawsuits over toys, clothes, and books, resulting in children&#8217;s books being thrown out and pulled from library shelves by [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Greg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually everything about Congress&#039;s reaction to the CPSIA fiasco does make perfect sense, as long as you realize that what matters to them is not the real-world consequences of their laws but instead is their own pride and vanity.  In their world, no matter how much devastation this law causes, it isn&#039;t as bad as the loss of face of having to admit that they made a mistake. So ironically the sheer awfulness of the CPSIA is what is protecting it. If the law was basically well thought out with a few problems, they could agree to amend it without any loss of face. But because the law is such a disaster, they can&#039;t afford to admit that there are any problems with it without making themselves look completely incompetent. So I think they&#039;re going to continue stonewalling as long as they can. Because to them the disaster of this law is nothing as compared to their own pride.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually everything about Congress&#8217;s reaction to the CPSIA fiasco does make perfect sense, as long as you realize that what matters to them is not the real-world consequences of their laws but instead is their own pride and vanity.  In their world, no matter how much devastation this law causes, it isn&#8217;t as bad as the loss of face of having to admit that they made a mistake. So ironically the sheer awfulness of the CPSIA is what is protecting it. If the law was basically well thought out with a few problems, they could agree to amend it without any loss of face. But because the law is such a disaster, they can&#8217;t afford to admit that there are any problems with it without making themselves look completely incompetent. So I think they&#8217;re going to continue stonewalling as long as they can. Because to them the disaster of this law is nothing as compared to their own pride.</p>
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		By: Catherine Jaime		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catherine Jaime]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with GR. about mailing things to Congress.  

I had actually planned to deliver all our &quot;non-compliant&quot; items to the local offices of both my senators, until we realized how much there was.  That&#039;s when we decided to give it away instead (while we still could legally do that).  I figured it would end up in the landfill that way anyway, and it was too many good books to have anyone throw away!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with GR. about mailing things to Congress.  </p>
<p>I had actually planned to deliver all our &#8220;non-compliant&#8221; items to the local offices of both my senators, until we realized how much there was.  That&#8217;s when we decided to give it away instead (while we still could legally do that).  I figured it would end up in the landfill that way anyway, and it was too many good books to have anyone throw away!</p>
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		By: GR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why dump these items in landfills?  For maximum (political) theatrical effect, the items should be mailed to Congress.  Our representatives and senators will find it hard to ignore the issue as the results of this poorly written law pile up around them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why dump these items in landfills?  For maximum (political) theatrical effect, the items should be mailed to Congress.  Our representatives and senators will find it hard to ignore the issue as the results of this poorly written law pile up around them.</p>
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		By: Happymom4		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Happymom4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just is sick. I thought we were so worried about being &quot;green&quot; now?! Why are these dangerous, chemical laden items (gag) being allowed to go into the dumpsters even?? Thought they were banned, hazardous waste--isn&#039;t it illegal to dump them into normal dumpsters?? NONE of this makes an iota of sense. (But then, we all knew that already since we read lots and lots of books growing up and learned to use critical reasoning skills  . . . .)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just is sick. I thought we were so worried about being &#8220;green&#8221; now?! Why are these dangerous, chemical laden items (gag) being allowed to go into the dumpsters even?? Thought they were banned, hazardous waste&#8211;isn&#8217;t it illegal to dump them into normal dumpsters?? NONE of this makes an iota of sense. (But then, we all knew that already since we read lots and lots of books growing up and learned to use critical reasoning skills  . . . .)</p>
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		By: Lora		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know, when I was growing up I always had to clear my plate because if not, one of my parents would say, &quot;There are starving children out there that would just love to have that&quot;.

guess Congress didn&#039;t have parents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, when I was growing up I always had to clear my plate because if not, one of my parents would say, &#8220;There are starving children out there that would just love to have that&#8221;.</p>
<p>guess Congress didn&#8217;t have parents.</p>
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		By: Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is some of the letter I sent to Joseph Pereira at the Wall Wall Street Journal in response to his article on 3/5/09.  
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I saw your article on the impact CPSIA is having on retailers and manufacturers.  In particular, this caught my eye:
&quot;The vehicles have small amounts of lead in their handlebars and frames to prevent corrosion, says Paul Vitrano, general counsel to the trade group.&quot;

Hmmm.  Chrome plated handlebars with a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  You know what else might have a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  Shopping carts.  Which sit outside in the rain and sun and get banged around as much as ATV&#039;s in their own way.  And they are specifically designed to be used by children.  Just think of all the times you have seen a baby or toddler sitting in the seat of a cart, sometimes even gnawing on the handle if they are teething.  Meanwhile, Sissy is asleep in the basket and Big Brother is horsing around on the rack under the cart.  

If you figure mom is making 3 grocery trips a week, plus trips to buy clothing, etc, kids are spending a lot more time in shopping carts, from infancy until they get too big to push around, than the time any of them would spend on an ATV.  Furthermore, the mouthy, gnawy years are spent in the carts, not the ATV.  Yet I have seen nothing in CPSIA discussions about this.

I did a quick and very rough calculation today. (Store numbers from Wikipedia)

Company		# stores
Lowes			1616	
Home Depot		2913	
Walmart		3800	
Target		1500	
Kroger		2477	
Supervalue		2505	
total stores	14811	


carts	7,405,500	@ 500 per store (guestimate)

cost	$1,221,907,500	 @ $165 per cart

Of course there are far, far more shopping carts in this country than my rough calculation.  Perhaps you can look into this a little further.  You could even check out who the companies are who make shopping carts.  
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Shopping_Cart.html  see middle of page
It might make for an &#039;interesting&#039; followup article. 

I have nothing against shopping carts or shopping cart manufacturers or companies that supply shopping carts for their customers&#039; convenience.  It&#039;s just that CPSIA makes absolutely no sense.  It is going to eat the country alive, and must be repealed.

Thanks for your article.

Regards,
Marie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some of the letter I sent to Joseph Pereira at the Wall Wall Street Journal in response to his article on 3/5/09.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I saw your article on the impact CPSIA is having on retailers and manufacturers.  In particular, this caught my eye:<br />
&#8220;The vehicles have small amounts of lead in their handlebars and frames to prevent corrosion, says Paul Vitrano, general counsel to the trade group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm.  Chrome plated handlebars with a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  You know what else might have a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  Shopping carts.  Which sit outside in the rain and sun and get banged around as much as ATV&#8217;s in their own way.  And they are specifically designed to be used by children.  Just think of all the times you have seen a baby or toddler sitting in the seat of a cart, sometimes even gnawing on the handle if they are teething.  Meanwhile, Sissy is asleep in the basket and Big Brother is horsing around on the rack under the cart.  </p>
<p>If you figure mom is making 3 grocery trips a week, plus trips to buy clothing, etc, kids are spending a lot more time in shopping carts, from infancy until they get too big to push around, than the time any of them would spend on an ATV.  Furthermore, the mouthy, gnawy years are spent in the carts, not the ATV.  Yet I have seen nothing in CPSIA discussions about this.</p>
<p>I did a quick and very rough calculation today. (Store numbers from Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Company		# stores<br />
Lowes			1616<br />
Home Depot		2913<br />
Walmart		3800<br />
Target		1500<br />
Kroger		2477<br />
Supervalue		2505<br />
total stores	14811	</p>
<p>carts	7,405,500	@ 500 per store (guestimate)</p>
<p>cost	$1,221,907,500	 @ $165 per cart</p>
<p>Of course there are far, far more shopping carts in this country than my rough calculation.  Perhaps you can look into this a little further.  You could even check out who the companies are who make shopping carts.<br />
<a href="http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Shopping_Cart.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Shopping_Cart.html</a>  see middle of page<br />
It might make for an &#8216;interesting&#8217; followup article. </p>
<p>I have nothing against shopping carts or shopping cart manufacturers or companies that supply shopping carts for their customers&#8217; convenience.  It&#8217;s just that CPSIA makes absolutely no sense.  It is going to eat the country alive, and must be repealed.</p>
<p>Thanks for your article.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Marie</p>
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		By: Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Below is a copy of a letter I sent to Joseph Pereira at the Wall Street Journal in response to his article on March 5, 2009, on CPSIA and it’s impact on ATV’s.  That article can be found here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123621357629835121.html?mod=rss_US_News

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I saw your article on the impact CPSIA is having on retailers and manufacturers.  In particular, this caught my eye:

&quot;The vehicles have small amounts of lead in their handlebars and frames to prevent corrosion, says Paul Vitrano, general counsel to the trade group.&quot;

Hmmm.  Chrome plated handlebars with a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  You know what else might have a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  Shopping carts.  Which sit outside in the rain and sun and get banged around as much as ATV&#039;s in their own way.  And they are specifically designed to be used by children.  Just think of all the times you have seen a baby or toddler sitting in the seat of a cart, sometimes even gnawing on the handle if they are teething.  Meanwhile, Sissy is asleep in the basket and Big Brother is horsing around on the rack under the cart.  

If you figure mom is making 3 grocery trips a week, plus trips to buy clothing, etc, kids are spending a lot more time in shopping carts, from infancy until they get too big to push around, than the time any of them would spend on an ATV.  Furthermore, the mouthy, gnawy years are spent in the carts, not the ATV.  Yet I have seen nothing in CPSIA discussions about this.

I did a quick and very rough calculation today. (Store numbers from Wikipedia)

Company		# stores
Lowes			        1616	
Home Depot		2913	
Walmart		        3800	
Target		                 1500	
Kroger		                 2477	
Supervalue		2505	
total stores	              14811	

carts	7,405,500	@ 500 per store (guestimate)

cost	$1,221,907,500	 @ $165 per cart


Of course there are far, far more shopping carts in this country than my rough calculation.  Perhaps you can look into this a little further.  You could even check out who the companies are who make shopping carts.  
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Shopping_Cart.html  see middle of page
It might make for an &#039;interesting&#039; followup article. 

I have nothing against shopping carts or shopping cart manufacturers or companies that supply shopping carts for their customers&#039; convenience.  It&#039;s just that CPSIA makes absolutely no sense.  It is going to eat the country alive, and must be repealed.

Thanks for your article.

Regards,
(me)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below is a copy of a letter I sent to Joseph Pereira at the Wall Street Journal in response to his article on March 5, 2009, on CPSIA and it’s impact on ATV’s.  That article can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123621357629835121.html?mod=rss_US_News" rel="nofollow ugc">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123621357629835121.html?mod=rss_US_News</a></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
I saw your article on the impact CPSIA is having on retailers and manufacturers.  In particular, this caught my eye:</p>
<p>&#8220;The vehicles have small amounts of lead in their handlebars and frames to prevent corrosion, says Paul Vitrano, general counsel to the trade group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm.  Chrome plated handlebars with a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  You know what else might have a bit of lead to prevent corrosion?  Shopping carts.  Which sit outside in the rain and sun and get banged around as much as ATV&#8217;s in their own way.  And they are specifically designed to be used by children.  Just think of all the times you have seen a baby or toddler sitting in the seat of a cart, sometimes even gnawing on the handle if they are teething.  Meanwhile, Sissy is asleep in the basket and Big Brother is horsing around on the rack under the cart.  </p>
<p>If you figure mom is making 3 grocery trips a week, plus trips to buy clothing, etc, kids are spending a lot more time in shopping carts, from infancy until they get too big to push around, than the time any of them would spend on an ATV.  Furthermore, the mouthy, gnawy years are spent in the carts, not the ATV.  Yet I have seen nothing in CPSIA discussions about this.</p>
<p>I did a quick and very rough calculation today. (Store numbers from Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Company		# stores<br />
Lowes			        1616<br />
Home Depot		2913<br />
Walmart		        3800<br />
Target		                 1500<br />
Kroger		                 2477<br />
Supervalue		2505<br />
total stores	              14811	</p>
<p>carts	7,405,500	@ 500 per store (guestimate)</p>
<p>cost	$1,221,907,500	 @ $165 per cart</p>
<p>Of course there are far, far more shopping carts in this country than my rough calculation.  Perhaps you can look into this a little further.  You could even check out who the companies are who make shopping carts.<br />
<a href="http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Shopping_Cart.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Shopping_Cart.html</a>  see middle of page<br />
It might make for an &#8216;interesting&#8217; followup article. </p>
<p>I have nothing against shopping carts or shopping cart manufacturers or companies that supply shopping carts for their customers&#8217; convenience.  It&#8217;s just that CPSIA makes absolutely no sense.  It is going to eat the country alive, and must be repealed.</p>
<p>Thanks for your article.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
(me)</p>
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		By: Darby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I spent many a summer on MV as a kid, and remember lots of visits to the Edgartown thrift shop.  When are the powers that be in our nanny-state, oh, I mean  government, realize that this law just doesn&#039;t make any sense and will make children&#039;s lives worse not better?  When I visualize all the perfectly good books, toys, and apparel going to the dumps on the island there, it just makes me so sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent many a summer on MV as a kid, and remember lots of visits to the Edgartown thrift shop.  When are the powers that be in our nanny-state, oh, I mean  government, realize that this law just doesn&#8217;t make any sense and will make children&#8217;s lives worse not better?  When I visualize all the perfectly good books, toys, and apparel going to the dumps on the island there, it just makes me so sad.</p>
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