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		By: Bob Lipton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the ABA&#039;s objection is that people should pay to be s***wed by a lawyer, not the other way around.

Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ABA&#8217;s objection is that people should pay to be s***wed by a lawyer, not the other way around.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		By: thufir_hawat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 00:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Consensual sex, Ron. I am not personally acquainted with another variety but I recognize your concern and/or validate your experience.

As I read the concern expressed by the ABA when opining on the topic, it is the abuse of the fiduciary relationship that is problematic -- that the qpp is a means of taking advantage of the relationship of trust and confidence that the a/c relationhip should represent.  In that context, perhaps you (and the ABA) are suggesting there can be no informed consent, even between adults, in an a/c context.

Still, in the instant case, it looks like the sexual relationship was icing -- a salacious detail -- rather than the basis for the sanction, which was my initial point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consensual sex, Ron. I am not personally acquainted with another variety but I recognize your concern and/or validate your experience.</p>
<p>As I read the concern expressed by the ABA when opining on the topic, it is the abuse of the fiduciary relationship that is problematic &#8212; that the qpp is a means of taking advantage of the relationship of trust and confidence that the a/c relationhip should represent.  In that context, perhaps you (and the ABA) are suggesting there can be no informed consent, even between adults, in an a/c context.</p>
<p>Still, in the instant case, it looks like the sexual relationship was icing &#8212; a salacious detail &#8212; rather than the basis for the sanction, which was my initial point.</p>
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		By: Ron Coleman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 22:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So... you&#039;re saying they don&#039;t have to agree?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; you&#8217;re saying they don&#8217;t have to agree?</p>
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		By: thufir_hawat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walter, I don&#039;t think your headline is accurate.

For this guy, perhaps better warnings/prohibitions would be to not (i) alter evidence; (ii) suborn perjury; (iii) steal clients&#039; money; (iv) ignore trust account requirements; or (v) misrepresent facts to the courts (by, say, editing a videotape to remove scenes that would be harmful to your case).

The &quot;couch fee&quot; in this case is problematic but not the most egregious lapse in ethics.  Sex with your client -- minus the quid pro quo -- isn&#039;t a violation of ethical standards in most jurisdictions anyway and, alone, can&#039;t be a basis for suspension.

That said, isn&#039;t the joke that sex with your client is tantamount to double billing?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, I don&#8217;t think your headline is accurate.</p>
<p>For this guy, perhaps better warnings/prohibitions would be to not (i) alter evidence; (ii) suborn perjury; (iii) steal clients&#8217; money; (iv) ignore trust account requirements; or (v) misrepresent facts to the courts (by, say, editing a videotape to remove scenes that would be harmful to your case).</p>
<p>The &#8220;couch fee&#8221; in this case is problematic but not the most egregious lapse in ethics.  Sex with your client &#8212; minus the quid pro quo &#8212; isn&#8217;t a violation of ethical standards in most jurisdictions anyway and, alone, can&#8217;t be a basis for suspension.</p>
<p>That said, isn&#8217;t the joke that sex with your client is tantamount to double billing?</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But it&#039;s still OK for me to charge them more, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it&#8217;s still OK for me to charge them more, right?</p>
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		By: Ted Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You know, the profession &lt;i&gt;says&lt;/i&gt; it should encourage alternative billing arrangements, and then the bar does this...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, the profession <i>says</i> it should encourage alternative billing arrangements, and then the bar does this&#8230;</p>
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		By: A.W.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it goes to show you that quid pro quo sexual harrassment really has a much simpler name: solicitation of prostitution.

and you have to love the fact that the disbarrment is not necessarily permanent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it goes to show you that quid pro quo sexual harrassment really has a much simpler name: solicitation of prostitution.</p>
<p>and you have to love the fact that the disbarrment is not necessarily permanent.</p>
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