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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will this all boil down to Civil disobedience on the part of small manufacturers and crafts people?
After all is said and done, can you be liable if there are no damages? For example if your product contains absolutely no lead or phthalates then there is no damage to anyone from these substances. Who cares if the &quot;Man&quot; does not like your testing program. You have not contaminated anyone with the banned substances.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this all boil down to Civil disobedience on the part of small manufacturers and crafts people?<br />
After all is said and done, can you be liable if there are no damages? For example if your product contains absolutely no lead or phthalates then there is no damage to anyone from these substances. Who cares if the &#8220;Man&#8221; does not like your testing program. You have not contaminated anyone with the banned substances.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 10:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ms. Lang,

You gave away the store when you said &quot;I’m not against keeping lead out of toys&quot;. Do you really want bicycles to be outlawed because of some brass in their air valves? 

We are both against hazardous toys. But a bicycle is a bicycle and not a lead hazard. Nice people like you are killing us with your childish acceptance of scare mongering from the lead nuts. And we have that beautiful woman and scientific twit,  Jenny McCarthy,  fighting vaccines.

CPSIA is wrong not because it ruins your business, but because it is scientifically moronic.  I take your word that lead is not in the materials that you use. But a lead nut would say that it could be some day. 

We have to, as a culture, reign in the lead, PCB, anti-nuke, anti-vaccines nuts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Lang,</p>
<p>You gave away the store when you said &#8220;I’m not against keeping lead out of toys&#8221;. Do you really want bicycles to be outlawed because of some brass in their air valves? </p>
<p>We are both against hazardous toys. But a bicycle is a bicycle and not a lead hazard. Nice people like you are killing us with your childish acceptance of scare mongering from the lead nuts. And we have that beautiful woman and scientific twit,  Jenny McCarthy,  fighting vaccines.</p>
<p>CPSIA is wrong not because it ruins your business, but because it is scientifically moronic.  I take your word that lead is not in the materials that you use. But a lead nut would say that it could be some day. </p>
<p>We have to, as a culture, reign in the lead, PCB, anti-nuke, anti-vaccines nuts.</p>
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		By: happymom4		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[happymom4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sick to my stomach as I see our American way of life being squeezed down to nothing  . . . .  will America as a whole wake up before it&#039;s entirely TOO LATE?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sick to my stomach as I see our American way of life being squeezed down to nothing  . . . .  will America as a whole wake up before it&#8217;s entirely TOO LATE?!</p>
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		By: Suzanne Lang		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suzanne Lang]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I stated in my testimony that I created 36 patterns of giraffes last year, it means I used 36 different fabrics.  According to the CPSIA, I have to unit test my items.  That means although I use the exact same stuffing, thread and labels (and oftentimes coordinating fabric from the same designer) if anything changes I have to retest.  

The lead testing alone is $50 per component.   My giraffes have 4-5 components per item.  This would add an additional $180-$225 to each giraffe I sell... I sell them for about $12-$18 (depending on the fabric).  (Nevermind the fact that none of the materials I use even have a risk for lead)

To add insult to injury, I am required by CPSIA to test my items for phthalates because it is an item intended to go into the mouth of a child under 3.  Phthalates are a compound added to plastics to make them soft. However, the giraffes are entirely made of 100% cotton fabric, plant-basted fiber filling, and cotton thread.  There are absolutely no phthalates in any of the items I use to make the giraffes.  I still have to test at a cost of about $400 per component.  Again, 4-5 components per giraffe, and the cost is just overwhelming.   

I&#039;m not against keeping lead out of toys.  However, I am against having to spend money testing for something that is scientifically been proven not there.   Congress needs to step up and make some common sense changes to the law.  The damage this law if kept as-is will do to our economy and to my family specifically is incredible.

Thank you for using this forum to highlight the huge problem that is the CPSIA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I stated in my testimony that I created 36 patterns of giraffes last year, it means I used 36 different fabrics.  According to the CPSIA, I have to unit test my items.  That means although I use the exact same stuffing, thread and labels (and oftentimes coordinating fabric from the same designer) if anything changes I have to retest.  </p>
<p>The lead testing alone is $50 per component.   My giraffes have 4-5 components per item.  This would add an additional $180-$225 to each giraffe I sell&#8230; I sell them for about $12-$18 (depending on the fabric).  (Nevermind the fact that none of the materials I use even have a risk for lead)</p>
<p>To add insult to injury, I am required by CPSIA to test my items for phthalates because it is an item intended to go into the mouth of a child under 3.  Phthalates are a compound added to plastics to make them soft. However, the giraffes are entirely made of 100% cotton fabric, plant-basted fiber filling, and cotton thread.  There are absolutely no phthalates in any of the items I use to make the giraffes.  I still have to test at a cost of about $400 per component.  Again, 4-5 components per giraffe, and the cost is just overwhelming.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against keeping lead out of toys.  However, I am against having to spend money testing for something that is scientifically been proven not there.   Congress needs to step up and make some common sense changes to the law.  The damage this law if kept as-is will do to our economy and to my family specifically is incredible.</p>
<p>Thank you for using this forum to highlight the huge problem that is the CPSIA.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A thought experiment:
That a child and her  bike to Mrs. Murray, the senator from Washinton State, remove a air value and tell her that the bike will be taken from the child becase of the lead in the valve.

One would predict that Mrs. Murray, being a sentient creature, would say that the valve is in side the tire stem and can not possibly injure the child.  More likely she would ignore the evidence that CPSIA is bad law. She had good intention when she promoted the law, and intention would prevail in her case.

Let&#039;s bring a guy so the argument is not about the way women think. Mr. Reid, the senator from Nevada, crows about his killing Yucca Mountain. Obviously he has no idea whatsoever about the Science of Yucca Mountain, which Science was settled thirty years ago according to President Carter.   Activists kept the project in court with fears of what happens 100,000 years from now. 

For Republicans, remember the Terry Schiavo matter. And Elisabeth Dole is actually proud of getting airbags in cars.

Perhaps some  large toy makers will be advantaged by CPSIA, but it would only be trivially. We have had decades of misguided code about lead in houses. And don&#039;t forget the hideously stupid Delaney amendment.

And Americans want to tell others how to live!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought experiment:<br />
That a child and her  bike to Mrs. Murray, the senator from Washinton State, remove a air value and tell her that the bike will be taken from the child becase of the lead in the valve.</p>
<p>One would predict that Mrs. Murray, being a sentient creature, would say that the valve is in side the tire stem and can not possibly injure the child.  More likely she would ignore the evidence that CPSIA is bad law. She had good intention when she promoted the law, and intention would prevail in her case.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s bring a guy so the argument is not about the way women think. Mr. Reid, the senator from Nevada, crows about his killing Yucca Mountain. Obviously he has no idea whatsoever about the Science of Yucca Mountain, which Science was settled thirty years ago according to President Carter.   Activists kept the project in court with fears of what happens 100,000 years from now. </p>
<p>For Republicans, remember the Terry Schiavo matter. And Elisabeth Dole is actually proud of getting airbags in cars.</p>
<p>Perhaps some  large toy makers will be advantaged by CPSIA, but it would only be trivially. We have had decades of misguided code about lead in houses. And don&#8217;t forget the hideously stupid Delaney amendment.</p>
<p>And Americans want to tell others how to live!</p>
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		By: ps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The bill IS doing exactly what it was meant to do - destroy businesses in the USA. Ten years from now, you will be buying everything from a single conglomerate and you can thank your local congressman for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bill IS doing exactly what it was meant to do &#8211; destroy businesses in the USA. Ten years from now, you will be buying everything from a single conglomerate and you can thank your local congressman for that.</p>
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		By: Todd Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is this what our president was referring to in his inauguration speech when he spoke of &quot;petty grievances?&quot;  Nothing like marginalization to make things seem...marginal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this what our president was referring to in his inauguration speech when he spoke of &#8220;petty grievances?&#8221;  Nothing like marginalization to make things seem&#8230;marginal.</p>
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		By: Greg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To DAV: &quot;Only the finished product can be tested and not just the ingredients? Presumably, the 36 patterns are permutations of the same ingredients.&quot; 

No, the CPSIA requires that the components be tested for each product or pattern separately. So if you make one product of three components, you have to do three component tests. If you make three products out of those same three components, you have to do nine component tests. If each of your three products has three different patterns (sizes, colors, etc), then you&#039;d have to do 27 component tests, etc. Actually I think it&#039;s even more complicated than this.

BTW, I&#039;m not the same Greg as Greg Dwyer. I meant to sign my posts with GregS but made a typo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To DAV: &#8220;Only the finished product can be tested and not just the ingredients? Presumably, the 36 patterns are permutations of the same ingredients.&#8221; </p>
<p>No, the CPSIA requires that the components be tested for each product or pattern separately. So if you make one product of three components, you have to do three component tests. If you make three products out of those same three components, you have to do nine component tests. If each of your three products has three different patterns (sizes, colors, etc), then you&#8217;d have to do 27 component tests, etc. Actually I think it&#8217;s even more complicated than this.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m not the same Greg as Greg Dwyer. I meant to sign my posts with GregS but made a typo.</p>
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		By: Greg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few months ago when I first read about the CPSIA I thought it was just a poorly drafted law, and that its destructiveness to small businesses was an accident. But after seeing the fierceness with which the law&#039;s supporters defend it even after its destructiveness has become obvious, and after seeing comments like &quot;the bill is doing exactly what it is meant to do&quot; from the offices of people in Congress that sponsored it,  I&#039;ve changed my mind. 

I think that they&#039;re speaking the truth and that one of the unstated goals of this law is to force a consolidation of the production of children&#039;s products into the hands of a few large companies.  From the regulatory standpoint it makes a certain kind of sense - if you want to tightly regulate the safety of children&#039;s products, it&#039;s a lot easier to do if there are only a few companies to regulate. So my forecast is that Congress will attempt to stonewall on any changes to the CPSIA until the small companies have all left the market. Then, and only then, once the market has been consolidated, will they start to amend the law to remove some of the more ridiculous aspects of it and to reduce the compliance costs on the big companies that are now in possession of the market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few months ago when I first read about the CPSIA I thought it was just a poorly drafted law, and that its destructiveness to small businesses was an accident. But after seeing the fierceness with which the law&#8217;s supporters defend it even after its destructiveness has become obvious, and after seeing comments like &#8220;the bill is doing exactly what it is meant to do&#8221; from the offices of people in Congress that sponsored it,  I&#8217;ve changed my mind. </p>
<p>I think that they&#8217;re speaking the truth and that one of the unstated goals of this law is to force a consolidation of the production of children&#8217;s products into the hands of a few large companies.  From the regulatory standpoint it makes a certain kind of sense &#8211; if you want to tightly regulate the safety of children&#8217;s products, it&#8217;s a lot easier to do if there are only a few companies to regulate. So my forecast is that Congress will attempt to stonewall on any changes to the CPSIA until the small companies have all left the market. Then, and only then, once the market has been consolidated, will they start to amend the law to remove some of the more ridiculous aspects of it and to reduce the compliance costs on the big companies that are now in possession of the market.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last time I checked, lead was only dangerous if ingested and metabolized.  When was the last time your child ate a pair of socks?

I&#039;m with Greg Dwyer.  Who benefits from this legislation.  We already know that trial lawyers stand to make millions, but, who else is riding this gravy train?  I would hazard a guess that companies like Fisher Price, Gerber, Graco and a multitude of others stand to benefit.  Think about it.  The second-hand market for kids toys, clothing and furnishings stands to be wiped out.  What would happen to GM, Chrysler and Ford if all of the sudden any vehicle more than four years old went away?

When I was a kid, I used to fish a lot.  I had these lead weights called split shot that were crimped on to the fishing line.  On more than one occasion, due to a lack of pliers,  I used my teeth to secure these weights to the line.  My health never suffered.  Hell, I even played around with Mercury from a busted barometer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked, lead was only dangerous if ingested and metabolized.  When was the last time your child ate a pair of socks?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Greg Dwyer.  Who benefits from this legislation.  We already know that trial lawyers stand to make millions, but, who else is riding this gravy train?  I would hazard a guess that companies like Fisher Price, Gerber, Graco and a multitude of others stand to benefit.  Think about it.  The second-hand market for kids toys, clothing and furnishings stands to be wiped out.  What would happen to GM, Chrysler and Ford if all of the sudden any vehicle more than four years old went away?</p>
<p>When I was a kid, I used to fish a lot.  I had these lead weights called split shot that were crimped on to the fishing line.  On more than one occasion, due to a lack of pliers,  I used my teeth to secure these weights to the line.  My health never suffered.  Hell, I even played around with Mercury from a busted barometer.</p>
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