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		By: Anonymous Attorney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I saw from the civil defense side was some of the most tedious, time-consuming and ultimately irrelevant work performed by lawyers.  Plaintiffs&#039; requests were not usually all that crazy, but we spent hours crafting byzantine objections based on the slightest of possibilities that something privileged would be gotten.  It was ridiculous.  For some defense attorneys, it was a major loss to have to give over anything but an incident report.

Meanwhile, plaintiffs were great at throwing out accusations of a worldwide conspiracy emanating from some fairly simple products liability or slip-and-fall case, which always boggled my mind.  Most of my clients were nowhere near as organized as that... most &quot;missing documents&quot; were never missing to begin with... Plaintiffs would infuriatingly accuse defendants of this, and naturally, we&#039;d be hard pressed to prove a negative.  But the judge would prick up his ears and we&#039;d look bad.  Spoliation was a nice little weapon... since it was actually an independent cause of action.

In the end, it was always the weak cases that involved plaintiff brow-beating over discovery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I saw from the civil defense side was some of the most tedious, time-consuming and ultimately irrelevant work performed by lawyers.  Plaintiffs&#8217; requests were not usually all that crazy, but we spent hours crafting byzantine objections based on the slightest of possibilities that something privileged would be gotten.  It was ridiculous.  For some defense attorneys, it was a major loss to have to give over anything but an incident report.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, plaintiffs were great at throwing out accusations of a worldwide conspiracy emanating from some fairly simple products liability or slip-and-fall case, which always boggled my mind.  Most of my clients were nowhere near as organized as that&#8230; most &#8220;missing documents&#8221; were never missing to begin with&#8230; Plaintiffs would infuriatingly accuse defendants of this, and naturally, we&#8217;d be hard pressed to prove a negative.  But the judge would prick up his ears and we&#8217;d look bad.  Spoliation was a nice little weapon&#8230; since it was actually an independent cause of action.</p>
<p>In the end, it was always the weak cases that involved plaintiff brow-beating over discovery.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve done both plaintiffs and defense work. Certainly, because defendants often have the resources that they do and because they have more political motives with their clients to dot every i and cross every t for fear of getting blamed for failing to pursue something later, the &quot;discovery to death&quot; is more practiced by defendants than plaintiffs.   But that is a general rule subject to many exceptions, to be sure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done both plaintiffs and defense work. Certainly, because defendants often have the resources that they do and because they have more political motives with their clients to dot every i and cross every t for fear of getting blamed for failing to pursue something later, the &#8220;discovery to death&#8221; is more practiced by defendants than plaintiffs.   But that is a general rule subject to many exceptions, to be sure.</p>
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		By: A.W.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know, Ted, in Virginia my understanding is that they are extremely reluctant to go this far.  So this problem is pretty alien to my existance, although i suppose it is possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Ted, in Virginia my understanding is that they are extremely reluctant to go this far.  So this problem is pretty alien to my existance, although i suppose it is possible.</p>
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		By: Paul W Dennis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul W Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[South Florida and the Panhandle are plaintiff paradises - no civil defendant receives justice in either area without a tremendous fight .
I would expect Aquamar S.A. v. DuPont, Case No. 97-020375 (Broward County, Fla.)) to get reversed on appeal but still, what a waste of resources !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Florida and the Panhandle are plaintiff paradises &#8211; no civil defendant receives justice in either area without a tremendous fight .<br />
I would expect Aquamar S.A. v. DuPont, Case No. 97-020375 (Broward County, Fla.)) to get reversed on appeal but still, what a waste of resources !</p>
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		By: Max Kennerly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Kennerly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An important issue, and one where, unfortunately, numerous institutions have completely failed us, like the ACTL&#039;s worthless civil discovery report (see my remarks &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/2WrJA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).

The long and short of it is that the current system encourages frivolous defense objections and &lt;i&gt;compels&lt;/i&gt; plaintiffs to discovery the bejesus out of cases, because that&#039;s the only way to get any information at all.

I&#039;d be happy to see a trade-off of limiting plaintiff&#039;s discovery &lt;i&gt;alongside&lt;/i&gt; creating and enforcing a duty among defendants to reveal discoverable evidence. As it stands, a lot of firms make a lot of money doing little but filing bogus discovery objections and over-litigating every single issue, overwhelming courts and making discovery as much as crapshoot for plaintiffs as defendants. For every excessive spoliation order you see, there are dozens of relevant discovery requests denied by courts and thousands of blatantly destroyed or concealed documents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important issue, and one where, unfortunately, numerous institutions have completely failed us, like the ACTL&#8217;s worthless civil discovery report (see my remarks <a href="http://bit.ly/2WrJA" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
<p>The long and short of it is that the current system encourages frivolous defense objections and <i>compels</i> plaintiffs to discovery the bejesus out of cases, because that&#8217;s the only way to get any information at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to see a trade-off of limiting plaintiff&#8217;s discovery <i>alongside</i> creating and enforcing a duty among defendants to reveal discoverable evidence. As it stands, a lot of firms make a lot of money doing little but filing bogus discovery objections and over-litigating every single issue, overwhelming courts and making discovery as much as crapshoot for plaintiffs as defendants. For every excessive spoliation order you see, there are dozens of relevant discovery requests denied by courts and thousands of blatantly destroyed or concealed documents.</p>
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