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	Comments on: Howard Dean on Obamacare and med-mal reform	</title>
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		By: PointOfLaw Forum		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71404</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PointOfLaw Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Trying to regain PR footing on health care tort reform...&lt;/strong&gt;

Howard Dean unleashed a flood of commentary critical of the litigation industry when, at Rep. Jim Moran&#039;s town hall, he explained that Congress had left any tort reform provisions out of health care legislation because members did not want to......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Trying to regain PR footing on health care tort reform&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Howard Dean unleashed a flood of commentary critical of the litigation industry when, at Rep. Jim Moran&#8217;s town hall, he explained that Congress had left any tort reform provisions out of health care legislation because members did not want to&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: P		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why won&#039;t Walter Olson answer P&#039;s question?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why won&#8217;t Walter Olson answer P&#8217;s question?</p>
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		By: PointOfLaw Forum		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71145</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PointOfLaw Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Around the web, September 1...&lt;/strong&gt;

 Former Senator Bill Bradley proposes an Obamacare compromise: &quot;Tax Reform&#039;s Lesson for Health Care Reform&quot; [NY Times]. One critic gloats/scoffs that Republicans aren&#039;t serious about malpractice reform except as an opposition issue since they didn...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Around the web, September 1&#8230;</strong></p>
<p> Former Senator Bill Bradley proposes an Obamacare compromise: &#8220;Tax Reform&#8217;s Lesson for Health Care Reform&#8221; [NY Times]. One critic gloats/scoffs that Republicans aren&#8217;t serious about malpractice reform except as an opposition issue since they didn&#8230;</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71138</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Max,

Three quarters is not 98%. I was impressed by Peter Huber&#039;s work in &quot;Galileo&#039;s  Revenge&quot; where he covers fetal stress cases and the anti-nausea medicine cases. Then there were the breast implant cases and of course the horrific Levine case. Daubert deals directly with incompetence of juries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>Three quarters is not 98%. I was impressed by Peter Huber&#8217;s work in &#8220;Galileo&#8217;s  Revenge&#8221; where he covers fetal stress cases and the anti-nausea medicine cases. Then there were the breast implant cases and of course the horrific Levine case. Daubert deals directly with incompetence of juries.</p>
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		By: Bill Alexander		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe Max that the problem is not so much juries finding negligence but rather the huge jackpot awards sometimes given out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Max that the problem is not so much juries finding negligence but rather the huge jackpot awards sometimes given out.</p>
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		By: Max Kennerly		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71032</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Kennerly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[William,

I&#039;d like to know what you base your &quot;abundantly clear&quot; conclusion on. Last I looked, a 2006 Harvard Medical School study found juries generally (about three-fourths of the time) found, or did not find, negligence in the same circumstances in which a panel of experts would. There&#039;s no evidence (or sensible argument) that shifting to a different fact-finder, like a judge, arbitrator, or court-appointed panel, would do any better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know what you base your &#8220;abundantly clear&#8221; conclusion on. Last I looked, a 2006 Harvard Medical School study found juries generally (about three-fourths of the time) found, or did not find, negligence in the same circumstances in which a panel of experts would. There&#8217;s no evidence (or sensible argument) that shifting to a different fact-finder, like a judge, arbitrator, or court-appointed panel, would do any better.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Max Kennerly comments:

&quot;Conservatives are no help in this regard: most blindly adopt any &#039;reform&#039; that appears anti-plaintiff, regardless of the merits.&quot;

It is abundantly clear that juries generally are incompetent  with respect to medical matters. It was the Levine decision that blindly celebrated the prerogative of juries to find facts that weren&#039;t there.

I am not a conservative, but I know of no tort reform proposals without solid argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max Kennerly comments:</p>
<p>&#8220;Conservatives are no help in this regard: most blindly adopt any &#8216;reform&#8217; that appears anti-plaintiff, regardless of the merits.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is abundantly clear that juries generally are incompetent  with respect to medical matters. It was the Levine decision that blindly celebrated the prerogative of juries to find facts that weren&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>I am not a conservative, but I know of no tort reform proposals without solid argument.</p>
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		By: Max Kennerly		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-71005</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Kennerly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dean&#039;s answer reveals a bit more to the subject. Although tactical concerns were obviously at play (as they are with all legislation), the simple fact is that Democrats and centrists don&#039;t agree on if there even is a tort &quot;problem,&quot; much less on the solutions to the &quot;problem.&quot;

Take Dean&#039;s &quot;non-binding, but admissible arbitration&quot; example. I don&#039;t know of a single lawyer (of any political persuasion) who agrees with that since (1) it violates the basic legal principle that a later factfinder should not be tainted by prior findings and (2) it&#039;s unclear what, if anything, it would do except add more delay and more costs to the process.

Conservatives are no help in this regard: most blindly adopt any &quot;reform&quot; that appears anti-plaintiff, regardless of the merits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean&#8217;s answer reveals a bit more to the subject. Although tactical concerns were obviously at play (as they are with all legislation), the simple fact is that Democrats and centrists don&#8217;t agree on if there even is a tort &#8220;problem,&#8221; much less on the solutions to the &#8220;problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take Dean&#8217;s &#8220;non-binding, but admissible arbitration&#8221; example. I don&#8217;t know of a single lawyer (of any political persuasion) who agrees with that since (1) it violates the basic legal principle that a later factfinder should not be tainted by prior findings and (2) it&#8217;s unclear what, if anything, it would do except add more delay and more costs to the process.</p>
<p>Conservatives are no help in this regard: most blindly adopt any &#8220;reform&#8221; that appears anti-plaintiff, regardless of the merits.</p>
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		By: P		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-70998</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Say that the doctor committed some type of fraud against the patient, e.g., represented that he had the training and experience to do a certain procedure, when he, in fact, did not; a doctor told the patient that X hospital had all the equipment that was necessary to do Y surgery, the hospital did not, and the patient was harmed thereby.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say that the doctor committed some type of fraud against the patient, e.g., represented that he had the training and experience to do a certain procedure, when he, in fact, did not; a doctor told the patient that X hospital had all the equipment that was necessary to do Y surgery, the hospital did not, and the patient was harmed thereby.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/08/howard-dean-on-obamacare-and-med-mal-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-70996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;P: &quot;in Georgia, if a doctor commits fraud against a patient, then the patient’s non-economic damages are not capped&quot;. 

I&#039;m not really sure what P is asserting here. I cannot speak with knowledge of Georgia law, but I believe in an ordinary fraud case against a doctor (say, over fraudulent billing) there would be no right to recover damages for pain and suffering, emotional distress, loss of enjoyment of life, etc., so there is nothing to cap. Perhaps P would care to elucidate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;P: &#8220;in Georgia, if a doctor commits fraud against a patient, then the patient’s non-economic damages are not capped&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really sure what P is asserting here. I cannot speak with knowledge of Georgia law, but I believe in an ordinary fraud case against a doctor (say, over fraudulent billing) there would be no right to recover damages for pain and suffering, emotional distress, loss of enjoyment of life, etc., so there is nothing to cap. Perhaps P would care to elucidate.</p>
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