Comments on: Birthers’ dubious boast

By: Bob Lipton

Bob Lipton — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:48:52 +0000

I would assume that some one was unaware of the subtle difference between a birth certificate and this particular sort of document. Or perhaps was even unaware of the existence of this sort of document, as was I until this thread.

Bob

By: gitarcarver

gitarcarver — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:50:27 +0000

Bob Lipton,

Thank you for the link. The image of the re-issued birth certificate is the one that the Obama campaign floated out as the original birth certificate.

Clearly it is not. Hawaii even says it is not.

Do I believe that someone changed the data base of Hawaii’s birth records to add Obama to it? Nah.

But yet I wonder why the President represents this document as one thing, when it is actually another.

By: Jack Wilson

Jack Wilson — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:35:36 +0000

… idée fixe. …the raison d’être for their existence…

Mon dieu!

The liberal sprinkling of French phrases in that post has convinced me of my intellectual failings in wanting to see a simple document!

By: GregS

GregS — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:40:45 +0000

Putting on my conspiracy-theorist hat, I had this idea that the whole “Birther” movement is in fact a creation of the Democratic party as a way of discrediting the conservative opposition. The technique is simple: create some wacky conspiracy theory that you know the more credulous members of the opposition will enthusiastically embrace, and that you also know will make them look like nutjobs to ordinary, sober-minded people. Then you can use their belief in that conspiracy theory to discredit the entire opposition. Under this scenario, Obama’s alleged reluctance to “show the records” becomes part of the strategy of feeding the conspiracy theory.

I don’t actually believe this, but the idea of it was suggested to me by that episode of South Park from a few years ago, in which the 9-11 conspiracy movement is revealed to be a conspiracy created by the Bush administration itself.

By: Bob Lipton

Bob Lipton — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:06:34 +0000

Richard Nieporent wrote

Bob, please do not try to disabuse them of their idée fixe. It has become the raison d’être for their existence.

I don’t know what I was thinking of.

Bob

By: Jack Wilson

Jack Wilson — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:51:06 +0000

#19 – try to get a passport with a document like this that doesn’t show the hospital or physician.
1961 is still modern history- has anyone tried to interview nurses or doctors involved with Barry Soetoro’s birth? That is, once they have settled on which of the 2 hospitals where he was born (there is some confusion about this).

By: Benji

Benji — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:52:10 +0000

@#16: The problem is that, even if Obama did show the requested records, it probably still wouldn’t shut everybody up.

By: Richard Nieporent

Richard Nieporent — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:39:14 +0000

Bob, please do not try to disabuse them of their idée fixe. It has become the raison d’être for their existence.

By: Bob Lipton

Bob Lipton — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:12:44 +0000

Anyone who bothers to Google Obama Burth Certificate and clicks on the image option will have lots of choices. Here’s one link.

http://trueslant.com/donovan/files/2009/07/obama_birth_certificate.jpg

You can also write to the Hawaiin government for one, although which department to contact is something you’ll have to figure out on your own.

That is, of course, assuming you really wish to check for yourself and not simply rant about your insane conspiracy theories.

Bob

By: gitarcarver

gitarcarver — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:27:51 +0000

While I wish that Obama would put this whole thing to rest, and I wish that the law would be clarified to prevent this from happening in the future, this comment by Bob Lipton caught my eye:
Does anyone here want Joe Biden to be president? Because if Obama is ineligible, it’s him.

Why would that be the case? The vote was for President, not vice President. If the President is fraudulently elected (and I am NOT saying that is the case, this is a hypothetical) why would his fraudulently elected running mate not be affected by that?

A book several years ago tried to fictionally raise a similar issue. It started with the premise that a candidate who was elected was then accidentally killed before the votes from the electoral college were cast. His running mate was a clod, and therefore the question raised was “who is the next president?” Do the electoral college votes go to the ticket, the dead man, whomever the voter wishes?

Apparently the laws on electoral college voters are somewhat jumbled on the matter.

As I said, I would like to see the resolution of this controversy resolved as it is a distraction and the law clarified for the next election. The eligibility requirement has been outpaced by the expansion of the country as well as technology.