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		By: norris hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[norris hall]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cutting 5 billion dollars a year out of the health care bill through tort reform will not in itself make much of a dent in the 2 trillion dollar a year health care mess we are in.
But 5 billion is 5 billion and even though it only represents 0,5% of our yearly health care bill.....every penny helps.

In order to make a real dent we need not only get the government involved in limiting Lawyer fees and jury awards but we also need to get the government involved in....
1. limiting doctors fees (just like the insurance companies do)
2. limiting insurance company profits. (20% administrative costs are way out of line with other developed nations)
3. limiting what drug companies can charge for their product (If you can buy Foxamax D in Canada for $50, it shouldn&#039;t cost $70 in the US)
4.  Limiting what hospitals can charge (They shouldn&#039;t be allowed to charge $20 for bandaids)

What we need is the same government intervention in all other areas of healthcare.  What&#039;s good for the lawyers should also be applied to doctors, insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals.

Other countries have done it successfully.  We should too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cutting 5 billion dollars a year out of the health care bill through tort reform will not in itself make much of a dent in the 2 trillion dollar a year health care mess we are in.<br />
But 5 billion is 5 billion and even though it only represents 0,5% of our yearly health care bill&#8230;..every penny helps.</p>
<p>In order to make a real dent we need not only get the government involved in limiting Lawyer fees and jury awards but we also need to get the government involved in&#8230;.<br />
1. limiting doctors fees (just like the insurance companies do)<br />
2. limiting insurance company profits. (20% administrative costs are way out of line with other developed nations)<br />
3. limiting what drug companies can charge for their product (If you can buy Foxamax D in Canada for $50, it shouldn&#8217;t cost $70 in the US)<br />
4.  Limiting what hospitals can charge (They shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to charge $20 for bandaids)</p>
<p>What we need is the same government intervention in all other areas of healthcare.  What&#8217;s good for the lawyers should also be applied to doctors, insurance companies, drug companies and hospitals.</p>
<p>Other countries have done it successfully.  We should too.</p>
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		By: Sam Phobos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Phobos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[W. Nuesslein: &quot;Did the Nobel Prize come from a teleprompter.&quot;  Is that a straight line?  Even confirmed lefties knocked the selection.  Obama was nominated less than in two weeks into his administration, for something that did not happen, namely the &quot;Obama Effect&quot;, the idea that global jubilation over the Obama effect would somehow lead to a peaceful world.  Take the Iranian elections, for example.  By the time the Prize was awarded there was no &quot;Obama Effect&quot;.  Obama was instead awarded the Prize because he was going to let the majority of the world dictate U. S.  policy.   Keep in mind these are these are some of the same world leaders backing the &quot;Treaty of Lisbon&quot; even though majorities kept voting it down when it was the &quot;EU constituti0n&quot;.  

As to N. Hall, Tort Reform is a restriction of Government Power since the judiciary is a branch of the goverment.  I don&#039;t see what the judge being &quot;experienced&quot; has to do with anything.  There&#039;s certainly no guarantee of it.  As to bleeding every nickel out of us, have you seen the taxes in the new health care bill, a VAT (valued-adde tax) will fall on all consumers, because it will add additional taxes at every phase of production.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W. Nuesslein: &#8220;Did the Nobel Prize come from a teleprompter.&#8221;  Is that a straight line?  Even confirmed lefties knocked the selection.  Obama was nominated less than in two weeks into his administration, for something that did not happen, namely the &#8220;Obama Effect&#8221;, the idea that global jubilation over the Obama effect would somehow lead to a peaceful world.  Take the Iranian elections, for example.  By the time the Prize was awarded there was no &#8220;Obama Effect&#8221;.  Obama was instead awarded the Prize because he was going to let the majority of the world dictate U. S.  policy.   Keep in mind these are these are some of the same world leaders backing the &#8220;Treaty of Lisbon&#8221; even though majorities kept voting it down when it was the &#8220;EU constituti0n&#8221;.  </p>
<p>As to N. Hall, Tort Reform is a restriction of Government Power since the judiciary is a branch of the goverment.  I don&#8217;t see what the judge being &#8220;experienced&#8221; has to do with anything.  There&#8217;s certainly no guarantee of it.  As to bleeding every nickel out of us, have you seen the taxes in the new health care bill, a VAT (valued-adde tax) will fall on all consumers, because it will add additional taxes at every phase of production.</p>
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		By: anti-Liberty Democrats by the numbers [Darleen Click]		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anti-Liberty Democrats by the numbers [Darleen Click]]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] forget, too, that the Democrats&#8217; nationalized medicine abomination also kills tort reform by the states.   Posted by Darleen @ 6:56 pm &#124; Trackback SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#034;anti-Liberty [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] forget, too, that the Democrats&#8217; nationalized medicine abomination also kills tort reform by the states.   Posted by Darleen @ 6:56 pm | Trackback SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;anti-Liberty [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Norris Hall		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/10/buried-on-page-1431-potemkin-tort-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-77045</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a joke.

The same Conservatives who say government can&#039;t do anything right and should stop imposing unnecessary and arbitrary regulations now want government to intervene in the court system and overrule the judgment of an experienced judge and 12 citizens chosen by two private industry lawyers.

Conservatives now say the government should regulate jury awards by placing arbitrary caps of $250,000 on jury awards..... even after a jury of 12 citizens , who have listened carefully to both sides of an arguement, deliberated for hours and finally decided for the plaintiff and against a doctor who has been grossly negligent.

Conservatives can never make up their minds.

Hopefully they&#039;ll remember their position on government interference in private lawsuits when the government attempts to impose restrictions on insurance companies, doctors, hospitals and drug companies...who all bleed every nickel out of the hard working American public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a joke.</p>
<p>The same Conservatives who say government can&#8217;t do anything right and should stop imposing unnecessary and arbitrary regulations now want government to intervene in the court system and overrule the judgment of an experienced judge and 12 citizens chosen by two private industry lawyers.</p>
<p>Conservatives now say the government should regulate jury awards by placing arbitrary caps of $250,000 on jury awards&#8230;.. even after a jury of 12 citizens , who have listened carefully to both sides of an arguement, deliberated for hours and finally decided for the plaintiff and against a doctor who has been grossly negligent.</p>
<p>Conservatives can never make up their minds.</p>
<p>Hopefully they&#8217;ll remember their position on government interference in private lawsuits when the government attempts to impose restrictions on insurance companies, doctors, hospitals and drug companies&#8230;who all bleed every nickel out of the hard working American public.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For Invid: Did the Nobel Prize come from a teleprompter?

I came across some writingsabout a collection of people who believe Paul Offit to be the devil incarnate. He is a terrific guy who invented a vaccine that saves and improves the lives of children. How can these people - well educated in the sense of going to school a long time - hold such obviously false beliefs? It bewilders me how Senator Harken and others believe the crazy talk about Autism and Vaccines. These people live in their own anti-science world. 

Mr. Obama cannot understand that various activists and others in his melieu are more than nuts. They are as much a threat to our country as are the crazy neo-cons.  Mrs. Clinton is just as bad, maybe worse, in this regard.

Maybe we can vote for Mr. Hukabee who has trouble with evolution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Invid: Did the Nobel Prize come from a teleprompter?</p>
<p>I came across some writingsabout a collection of people who believe Paul Offit to be the devil incarnate. He is a terrific guy who invented a vaccine that saves and improves the lives of children. How can these people &#8211; well educated in the sense of going to school a long time &#8211; hold such obviously false beliefs? It bewilders me how Senator Harken and others believe the crazy talk about Autism and Vaccines. These people live in their own anti-science world. </p>
<p>Mr. Obama cannot understand that various activists and others in his melieu are more than nuts. They are as much a threat to our country as are the crazy neo-cons.  Mrs. Clinton is just as bad, maybe worse, in this regard.</p>
<p>Maybe we can vote for Mr. Hukabee who has trouble with evolution.</p>
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		By: Invid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Invid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OMG, William, you believed the teleprompter?

I have a bridge for sale! Great price!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, William, you believed the teleprompter?</p>
<p>I have a bridge for sale! Great price!</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stella,

At one of the debates Mrs. Clinton pledged no Yucca Mountain in a Clinton Administration. Mr. Obama did not concur in that hideously ignorant pledge. He was positive about Nuclear Power. Mr. Obama spoke in sentences and seemed reasonable in othe ways. He distanced himself from the Reverends Jackson and Shapton and he took a reference to Jena Justice out of his stump speech.  

I have been unpleasantly surprised by President Obama&#039;s crazy views of the law and his association with environmental nuts.  But then again &quot;no-child-left-behind&quot; was an intellectual disaster. I have no hope.

I wanted our president and our country to be respected in the world. His fellow leaders seem to like President Obama, and I am grateful for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stella,</p>
<p>At one of the debates Mrs. Clinton pledged no Yucca Mountain in a Clinton Administration. Mr. Obama did not concur in that hideously ignorant pledge. He was positive about Nuclear Power. Mr. Obama spoke in sentences and seemed reasonable in othe ways. He distanced himself from the Reverends Jackson and Shapton and he took a reference to Jena Justice out of his stump speech.  </p>
<p>I have been unpleasantly surprised by President Obama&#8217;s crazy views of the law and his association with environmental nuts.  But then again &#8220;no-child-left-behind&#8221; was an intellectual disaster. I have no hope.</p>
<p>I wanted our president and our country to be respected in the world. His fellow leaders seem to like President Obama, and I am grateful for that.</p>
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		By: Stella Baskomb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stella Baskomb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone elected these fools.

It sure wasn&#039;t me.

But Obama DID get 65 million votes last year.  I don&#039;t think a fair-minded person can blame Obama for doing what he said he would do, and for being what he is.  Neither was exactly a mystery before last November.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone elected these fools.</p>
<p>It sure wasn&#8217;t me.</p>
<p>But Obama DID get 65 million votes last year.  I don&#8217;t think a fair-minded person can blame Obama for doing what he said he would do, and for being what he is.  Neither was exactly a mystery before last November.</p>
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		By: Anti-reform incentives in House health bill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anti-reform incentives in House health bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Jennifer Rubin at Commentary has the scoop on how the bill&#8217;s language will reward states financially if they do not &#8220;limit attorneys&#8217; fees or impose caps on damages&#8221;. P.S. And see Ted&#8217;s fuller treatment above. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Jennifer Rubin at Commentary has the scoop on how the bill&#8217;s language will reward states financially if they do not &#8220;limit attorneys&#8217; fees or impose caps on damages&#8221;. P.S. And see Ted&#8217;s fuller treatment above. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Michael Kirsch, M.D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kirsch, M.D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[His &#039;test&#039; for tort reform was $25 million, a pittance in a $1 trillion dollar (so far) &#039;reform&#039; effort.  Testing if tort reform works is like testing if penicillin works.  They&#039;ll do any stall and delay maneuver to prevent implementing meaningful and fair tort reform.  They&#039;d rather tax us than capture the windfill billions of dollars that the medical malpractice system incinerates.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His &#8216;test&#8217; for tort reform was $25 million, a pittance in a $1 trillion dollar (so far) &#8216;reform&#8217; effort.  Testing if tort reform works is like testing if penicillin works.  They&#8217;ll do any stall and delay maneuver to prevent implementing meaningful and fair tort reform.  They&#8217;d rather tax us than capture the windfill billions of dollars that the medical malpractice system incinerates.  </p>
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