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		By: A.W.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.W.]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim

OJ simpson was acquitted of murder in the death of his ex wife and ron goldman.  but as a matter of law i can say, &quot;OJ simpson killed his wife and an acquaintance&quot; and have no fear of a defamation suit--even if OJ was not a celebrity.  i can even probably say he murdered them since no one has seriously claimed this was an accident.  why is that?  because despite being found innocent he was also found liable for their murder.

In our system, we so fear government power, that we will not allow a person to be imprisoned or executed unless we reach a very high standard of proof: proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  And if you asking for a company to affirmatively give you a loan, the standards get even higher.  and that is a good thing.  we spend too much time propping up people with terrible credit and the housing and credit bubbles were both the direct result of that tendency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim</p>
<p>OJ simpson was acquitted of murder in the death of his ex wife and ron goldman.  but as a matter of law i can say, &#8220;OJ simpson killed his wife and an acquaintance&#8221; and have no fear of a defamation suit&#8211;even if OJ was not a celebrity.  i can even probably say he murdered them since no one has seriously claimed this was an accident.  why is that?  because despite being found innocent he was also found liable for their murder.</p>
<p>In our system, we so fear government power, that we will not allow a person to be imprisoned or executed unless we reach a very high standard of proof: proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  And if you asking for a company to affirmatively give you a loan, the standards get even higher.  and that is a good thing.  we spend too much time propping up people with terrible credit and the housing and credit bubbles were both the direct result of that tendency.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AW,
I&#039;d have your viewpoint 5 seconds after he is CONVICTED of murdering his wife, if he is convicted.  Until that happens he is innocent until proven guilty.  We seem to have forgotten that these days.  Too much trial by media.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AW,<br />
I&#8217;d have your viewpoint 5 seconds after he is CONVICTED of murdering his wife, if he is convicted.  Until that happens he is innocent until proven guilty.  We seem to have forgotten that these days.  Too much trial by media.</p>
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		By: If Ben Bernanke Had Spent More Time Searching For The Real Killer, The Dow Would Be At 20,000 &#124; Popehat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[If Ben Bernanke Had Spent More Time Searching For The Real Killer, The Dow Would Be At 20,000 &#124; Popehat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: A.W.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Embedded in that buisiness insider link is another to the astounding case where OJ simpson was given a loan by WaMu.  bear in mind, if he was foreclosed on, the goldmans and the browns would legally be entitled to get the money they were owned before WaMu could.

http://www.businessinsider.com/washington-mutuals-oj-simpson-loan-fiasco-2009-10

The amazing part was this line:

&#062; When I asked how we could possibly foreclose on it, they said there was a letter in the file from O.J. Simpson saying ‘the judgment is no good, because I didn’t do it.’

Lunacy.

Jim

Yeah, why should you think that a man who murdered his wives and lied about it might be a less than upstanding citizen when it comes to credit, too?

i wouldn&#039;t lend the man a bucket of water if he was on fire.  and no, &quot;not guilty&quot; is not the same as innocent.  i applaud the bank for being more rational about this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embedded in that buisiness insider link is another to the astounding case where OJ simpson was given a loan by WaMu.  bear in mind, if he was foreclosed on, the goldmans and the browns would legally be entitled to get the money they were owned before WaMu could.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/washington-mutuals-oj-simpson-loan-fiasco-2009-10" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessinsider.com/washington-mutuals-oj-simpson-loan-fiasco-2009-10</a></p>
<p>The amazing part was this line:</p>
<p>&gt; When I asked how we could possibly foreclose on it, they said there was a letter in the file from O.J. Simpson saying ‘the judgment is no good, because I didn’t do it.’</p>
<p>Lunacy.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
<p>Yeah, why should you think that a man who murdered his wives and lied about it might be a less than upstanding citizen when it comes to credit, too?</p>
<p>i wouldn&#8217;t lend the man a bucket of water if he was on fire.  and no, &#8220;not guilty&#8221; is not the same as innocent.  i applaud the bank for being more rational about this.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aparently he qualified for it and it was established before he was arrested.  Why shouldn&#039;t the bank have to hold up their end of the contract?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aparently he qualified for it and it was established before he was arrested.  Why shouldn&#8217;t the bank have to hold up their end of the contract?</p>
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		By: Bob Lipton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I understand that Peterson has a secure income -- although I&#039;d be interested in seeing if his pension survives a conviction -- are people automatically entitled to a ine of credit?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand that Peterson has a secure income &#8212; although I&#8217;d be interested in seeing if his pension survives a conviction &#8212; are people automatically entitled to a ine of credit?</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I meant if the bank can&#039;t show him being in danger of losing his house or pension.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant if the bank can&#8217;t show him being in danger of losing his house or pension.</p>
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		By: Jim Collins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to have to side with Peterson on this one.  He has been arrested, not convicted.  If the bank can show that he is in danger of losing the collateral (his house) or his means of payment (pension and SS) they have no cause to cancel his line of credit.  Now if he were applying for a line of credit, that would be different.  All I see here is the bank trying to avoid bad PR and possibly a Prosecutor trying to strengthen his case at the expense of Peterson.  If Peterson loses the lawsuit, does anybody want to bet on the outcome of his petition to get the government to pay for his defense?

Joe,
The last time I checked, most jails have internet access and Peterson can easily give somebody power of attorney to manage his finances.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to side with Peterson on this one.  He has been arrested, not convicted.  If the bank can show that he is in danger of losing the collateral (his house) or his means of payment (pension and SS) they have no cause to cancel his line of credit.  Now if he were applying for a line of credit, that would be different.  All I see here is the bank trying to avoid bad PR and possibly a Prosecutor trying to strengthen his case at the expense of Peterson.  If Peterson loses the lawsuit, does anybody want to bet on the outcome of his petition to get the government to pay for his defense?</p>
<p>Joe,<br />
The last time I checked, most jails have internet access and Peterson can easily give somebody power of attorney to manage his finances.</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How does one even begin to access a line of home equity from prison?  I&#039;ll never understand the feeling of entitlement that some people have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one even begin to access a line of home equity from prison?  I&#8217;ll never understand the feeling of entitlement that some people have.</p>
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