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		By: Shopfloor » Blog Archive &#187; In Health Care Legislation, the Hidden Trial-Lawyer Earmark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shopfloor » Blog Archive &#187; In Health Care Legislation, the Hidden Trial-Lawyer Earmark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] far, so good for the litigation lobby. The Senate&#8217;s health care bill contains provisions to create state demonstration projects on medical liability that actually prevent effective, cost-saving reforms. As the AAJ&#8217;s president, Anthony [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] far, so good for the litigation lobby. The Senate&#8217;s health care bill contains provisions to create state demonstration projects on medical liability that actually prevent effective, cost-saving reforms. As the AAJ&#8217;s president, Anthony [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: elmo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob:
re: &quot;The Institute of Medicine says there are about 100,000 deaths a year from malpractice,...&quot;

That is NOT what the 1999 IOM report stated. Why don&#039;t you try actually  READING the report instead of ATLA talking points. How about also actually READING the medical journals of the era to determine where the data for 44,000-98,000 (not &quot;100,000&quot;) deaths per year from medical error came from and how controversial it was (and is). How about actually READING other articles such as the 2001 JAMA paper &quot;Estimating Hospital Deaths to Medical Errors: Preventability is in the Eye of the Reviewer&quot; (JAMA. 2001;286(4):415-420),which concludes that previous interpretations of medical errors statisics are probably misleading.  But that would actually involve becoming educated on the subject rather than ATLA (or the American Association for Truth, Justice, and the American Way, or whatever doubletalk name they now call themselves) talking points .  A &quot;fair&quot; system is not the present in  which dueling experts/lawyers paid by the defense/plantiff try to confuse the jury anymore than tort reform limitations that inhibt the truly injured from seeking compensation.  A &quot;fair&quot; system would involve medical courts and require unbiased MD&#039;s (serving the court) to review the data and determine if negligence occurred.  Requirement to serve the court (for a fee)  can be made as part of state licensing. A review system of reviewer MD&#039;s can be set up to ensure fairness and impartiality. But this system would leave you out Bob with your 33%-50% cut.  We both know you and your brethran will make sure it never happens. 

PS: If you know ANYTHING about medicine you know that certain specialties (neurosurgery, OB) have a much higher chance of malpractice. Your statisitic is meaningless unless the 2-3% number analyzed by specialty.  But then again that involves research and not ATLA talking points.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob:<br />
re: &#8220;The Institute of Medicine says there are about 100,000 deaths a year from malpractice,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That is NOT what the 1999 IOM report stated. Why don&#8217;t you try actually  READING the report instead of ATLA talking points. How about also actually READING the medical journals of the era to determine where the data for 44,000-98,000 (not &#8220;100,000&#8221;) deaths per year from medical error came from and how controversial it was (and is). How about actually READING other articles such as the 2001 JAMA paper &#8220;Estimating Hospital Deaths to Medical Errors: Preventability is in the Eye of the Reviewer&#8221; (JAMA. 2001;286(4):415-420),which concludes that previous interpretations of medical errors statisics are probably misleading.  But that would actually involve becoming educated on the subject rather than ATLA (or the American Association for Truth, Justice, and the American Way, or whatever doubletalk name they now call themselves) talking points .  A &#8220;fair&#8221; system is not the present in  which dueling experts/lawyers paid by the defense/plantiff try to confuse the jury anymore than tort reform limitations that inhibt the truly injured from seeking compensation.  A &#8220;fair&#8221; system would involve medical courts and require unbiased MD&#8217;s (serving the court) to review the data and determine if negligence occurred.  Requirement to serve the court (for a fee)  can be made as part of state licensing. A review system of reviewer MD&#8217;s can be set up to ensure fairness and impartiality. But this system would leave you out Bob with your 33%-50% cut.  We both know you and your brethran will make sure it never happens. </p>
<p>PS: If you know ANYTHING about medicine you know that certain specialties (neurosurgery, OB) have a much higher chance of malpractice. Your statisitic is meaningless unless the 2-3% number analyzed by specialty.  But then again that involves research and not ATLA talking points.</p>
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		By: Mike Bryant		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If your alternative is caps,  you want to limit the most injured.  That&#039;s not justice.  It protects the few doctors that do a majority of the bad medicine.  The pilot program can look at Minnesota :  Low premiums, low number of cases, and over all great care.  The benefit at best is keeping things the way they are,  which is a system that protects most consumer rights and stands up constitutionally.   Have you written about the State&#039;s Rights Amendment that Hutchinson offered on the constitutionality of the whole bill.   Interesting how much the argument sounded familiar.  This is no giveaway,  except for those that will now be covered and others that will benefit from a funded Medicare system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your alternative is caps,  you want to limit the most injured.  That&#8217;s not justice.  It protects the few doctors that do a majority of the bad medicine.  The pilot program can look at Minnesota :  Low premiums, low number of cases, and over all great care.  The benefit at best is keeping things the way they are,  which is a system that protects most consumer rights and stands up constitutionally.   Have you written about the State&#8217;s Rights Amendment that Hutchinson offered on the constitutionality of the whole bill.   Interesting how much the argument sounded familiar.  This is no giveaway,  except for those that will now be covered and others that will benefit from a funded Medicare system.</p>
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		By: PointOfLaw Forum		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/12/tort-reform-section-of-reid-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-81071</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Quoted in Investors Business Daily...&lt;/strong&gt;

Sean Higgins&#039; article quotes me today on the lameness of the Reid health bill&#039;s allocation of $50 million to liability demonstration projects carefully screened to avoid anything that might bother the trial bar. (Earlier at Overlawyered and at Point ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Quoted in Investors Business Daily&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Sean Higgins&#8217; article quotes me today on the lameness of the Reid health bill&#8217;s allocation of $50 million to liability demonstration projects carefully screened to avoid anything that might bother the trial bar. (Earlier at Overlawyered and at Point &#8230;</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lawyers can chose their clients and hospitals cannot choose their patients.   Sounds like a good point for a millisecond after you hear it.  Then you realize what an awful false dichotomy that is.   Might as well say &quot;doctors conduct a physical exam on arrival but lawyers don&#039;t even bother to physically exam the patients&quot; or &quot;lawyers rehearse what they are going to say to a jury but don&#039;t don&#039;t even both to rehearse what the say to their sick patients.&quot;   Both comments are equally insightful as this &quot;who can choose&quot; nonsense.  

Both sides - again, both sides - have a lot of cute lens to look at this issue that just ring false to common sense.  They are intended to mislead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyers can chose their clients and hospitals cannot choose their patients.   Sounds like a good point for a millisecond after you hear it.  Then you realize what an awful false dichotomy that is.   Might as well say &#8220;doctors conduct a physical exam on arrival but lawyers don&#8217;t even bother to physically exam the patients&#8221; or &#8220;lawyers rehearse what they are going to say to a jury but don&#8217;t don&#8217;t even both to rehearse what the say to their sick patients.&#8221;   Both comments are equally insightful as this &#8220;who can choose&#8221; nonsense.  </p>
<p>Both sides &#8211; again, both sides &#8211; have a lot of cute lens to look at this issue that just ring false to common sense.  They are intended to mislead.</p>
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		By: PointOfLaw Forum		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/12/tort-reform-section-of-reid-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-81018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PointOfLaw Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Senate health care bill provides more detail about liability grants...&lt;/strong&gt;

UPDATE I now see Walter already reported at Overlawyered an observer&#039;s analysis of the language, finding it a &quot;grant program run by trial lawyers for the benefit of trial lawyers.&quot; A much more detailed dissection of the language than what&#039;s......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Senate health care bill provides more detail about liability grants&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>UPDATE I now see Walter already reported at Overlawyered an observer&#8217;s analysis of the language, finding it a &#8220;grant program run by trial lawyers for the benefit of trial lawyers.&#8221; A much more detailed dissection of the language than what&#8217;s&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: December 21 roundup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[December 21 roundup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Stands By Its Report: Tort Reform Would Save Billions&#8221; [ShopFloor; our weekend post on what actually wound up in Reid [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Stands By Its Report: Tort Reform Would Save Billions&#8221; [ShopFloor; our weekend post on what actually wound up in Reid [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Litigation and Trial - Max Kennerly		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/12/tort-reform-section-of-reid-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-81010</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Litigation and Trial - Max Kennerly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Medical Malpractice &quot;Demonstration Programs&quot; In The Senate&#039;s Health Care Reform Bill...&lt;/strong&gt;

Overlawyered passes along a misleading description of the &#034;tort reform&#034; provisions in the Senate health care bill from an anonymous Capitol Hill source: The &#8220;tort reform&#8221; section of Senator Reid&#8217;s substitute amendment is not...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Medical Malpractice &#8220;Demonstration Programs&#8221; In The Senate&#8217;s Health Care Reform Bill&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Overlawyered passes along a misleading description of the &quot;tort reform&quot; provisions in the Senate health care bill from an anonymous Capitol Hill source: The &ldquo;tort reform&rdquo; section of Senator Reid&rsquo;s substitute amendment is not&#8230;</p>
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		By: Max Kennerly		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2009/12/tort-reform-section-of-reid-health-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-80968</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Kennerly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Silly me, I actually went and read the bill, and on those panels it also includes:

&quot;(II) Health care providers and health care organizations&quot; and &quot;(III) Attorneys with expertise in representing patients and health care providers&quot; and &quot;(IV) Medical malpractice insurers.&quot; Oh, the horror of including all stakeholders.

Saying that cost isn&#039;t a factor is also flat-out wrong, since the plan&#039;s effectiveness is measured by factors like &quot;(C) the disposition of disputes and claims, including the length of time and estimated costs to all parties&quot; and &quot;(D) the medical liability environment.&quot; Similarly, to receive a grant, states have to show how the plan &quot;(E) improves access to liability insurance.&quot;

But it&#039;s not like your source on Capitol Hill could possibly be misrepresenting the bill in order to push an agenda or anything...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly me, I actually went and read the bill, and on those panels it also includes:</p>
<p>&#8220;(II) Health care providers and health care organizations&#8221; and &#8220;(III) Attorneys with expertise in representing patients and health care providers&#8221; and &#8220;(IV) Medical malpractice insurers.&#8221; Oh, the horror of including all stakeholders.</p>
<p>Saying that cost isn&#8217;t a factor is also flat-out wrong, since the plan&#8217;s effectiveness is measured by factors like &#8220;(C) the disposition of disputes and claims, including the length of time and estimated costs to all parties&#8221; and &#8220;(D) the medical liability environment.&#8221; Similarly, to receive a grant, states have to show how the plan &#8220;(E) improves access to liability insurance.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not like your source on Capitol Hill could possibly be misrepresenting the bill in order to push an agenda or anything&#8230;</p>
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		By: Harry Reid&#8217;s $50 million-plus gift to trial lawyers [Darleen Click]		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Reid&#8217;s $50 million-plus gift to trial lawyers [Darleen Click]]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Olson&#8217;s source outlines the Christmas goodies The “tort reform” section of Senator Reid’s substitute amendment is not merely meaningless, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Olson&#8217;s source outlines the Christmas goodies The “tort reform” section of Senator Reid’s substitute amendment is not merely meaningless, [&#8230;]</p>
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