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		By: January 20 roundup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[January 20 roundup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] to go on paying $550/month living allowance to his student daughter, who is 32 [Guardian/SMH, earlier on laws mandating support of adult [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to go on paying $550/month living allowance to his student daughter, who is 32 [Guardian/SMH, earlier on laws mandating support of adult [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: nevins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nevins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So kids will never grow up and parents will remain fiscally responsible for them until the day that the tables are turned.   http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba521
Legal requirement for filial responsibility, meet parental requirement to support your kids till you die.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So kids will never grow up and parents will remain fiscally responsible for them until the day that the tables are turned.   <a href="http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba521" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba521</a><br />
Legal requirement for filial responsibility, meet parental requirement to support your kids till you die.</p>
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		By: Le Mur		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Le Mur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Since this is a site with lawyers posting, perhaps somebody can tell me if it would be possible for some state to opt out of the reciprocity of enforcing these sort of financial awards.&lt;/I&gt;

I&#039;m not a lawyer, so my answer is better than a lawyer would give you  because they love this kind of crap.

As in other cases where the feds force the states to run unconstitutional programs for them (the old 55mph, some welfare programs including child support, etc), the feds use extortion: &quot;pass this law that&#039;s unconstitutional for us to pass or lose federal funding for...whatever is vaguely associated with the law&quot;, in this case fed subsidies for welfare, food stamps, etc. So yeah, it&#039;d be possible, but not likely. Tho you mention Wyoming, IIRC only Montana ignored the 55mph extortion. ($5 non-moving ticket for &#039;wasting gas&#039;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Since this is a site with lawyers posting, perhaps somebody can tell me if it would be possible for some state to opt out of the reciprocity of enforcing these sort of financial awards.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, so my answer is better than a lawyer would give you  because they love this kind of crap.</p>
<p>As in other cases where the feds force the states to run unconstitutional programs for them (the old 55mph, some welfare programs including child support, etc), the feds use extortion: &#8220;pass this law that&#8217;s unconstitutional for us to pass or lose federal funding for&#8230;whatever is vaguely associated with the law&#8221;, in this case fed subsidies for welfare, food stamps, etc. So yeah, it&#8217;d be possible, but not likely. Tho you mention Wyoming, IIRC only Montana ignored the 55mph extortion. ($5 non-moving ticket for &#8216;wasting gas&#8217;)</p>
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		By: Mark in Texas		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/child-support-through-age-23/comment-page-1/#comment-81690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark in Texas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since this is a site with lawyers posting, perhaps somebody can tell me if it would be possible for some state to opt out of the reciprocity of enforcing these sort of financial awards.  We have the example of Nevada which used to have an industry out of not having laws against gambling, prostitution and allowed much more lenient divorces.  Other states now allow gambling and lenient divorce laws are now pretty universal but at one point Nevada was the only place in the US where this could be done.

If there were some state where &quot;deadbeat dads&quot; would not have their wages garnished or be subject to imprisonment for failure to pay court ordered alimony or child support, that would seem to give that state a competitive advantage in attracting some fraction of the 30% of the  male population that find themselves with those obligations.  Corporations could open branch offices there knowing that even though they pay lower wages there, their workers would be keeping a lot more of their income than they would elsewhere.

I would guess that Wyoming would be a state that might try this since it could use the additional economic development and because their reaction when the Federal government threatened to cut off funds because they were insufficiently zealous in enforcing the 55 MPH speed limit was to reply that they would stop plowing the snow from I-80 and I-90.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this is a site with lawyers posting, perhaps somebody can tell me if it would be possible for some state to opt out of the reciprocity of enforcing these sort of financial awards.  We have the example of Nevada which used to have an industry out of not having laws against gambling, prostitution and allowed much more lenient divorces.  Other states now allow gambling and lenient divorce laws are now pretty universal but at one point Nevada was the only place in the US where this could be done.</p>
<p>If there were some state where &#8220;deadbeat dads&#8221; would not have their wages garnished or be subject to imprisonment for failure to pay court ordered alimony or child support, that would seem to give that state a competitive advantage in attracting some fraction of the 30% of the  male population that find themselves with those obligations.  Corporations could open branch offices there knowing that even though they pay lower wages there, their workers would be keeping a lot more of their income than they would elsewhere.</p>
<p>I would guess that Wyoming would be a state that might try this since it could use the additional economic development and because their reaction when the Federal government threatened to cut off funds because they were insufficiently zealous in enforcing the 55 MPH speed limit was to reply that they would stop plowing the snow from I-80 and I-90.</p>
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		By: A.W.		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/child-support-through-age-23/comment-page-1/#comment-81679</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i am not sure the law is the right answer, but still refusing to help a kid with college because of a divorce is pretty low.

And frankly married parents can&#039;t be forced to pay for college, so why should divorced parents be forced to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am not sure the law is the right answer, but still refusing to help a kid with college because of a divorce is pretty low.</p>
<p>And frankly married parents can&#8217;t be forced to pay for college, so why should divorced parents be forced to?</p>
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		By: Bumper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bumper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe this is really new. I remember a law suit in the 60s where the well-off and well-educated parents were ordered by the court to pay for college for a over 18 child. The basis was that the parent should provide an education experience for the child similar to what they had attained. I remember this because I used to aggravate my college professor PhD dad with it. While he willing paid for my college he bristled at the thought of being required to do it. Must be a genetic thing. But thanks to tonite&#039;s BCS both my boys have had the opportunity to experience the same thing I did at my alma mater, a National Championship in football.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe this is really new. I remember a law suit in the 60s where the well-off and well-educated parents were ordered by the court to pay for college for a over 18 child. The basis was that the parent should provide an education experience for the child similar to what they had attained. I remember this because I used to aggravate my college professor PhD dad with it. While he willing paid for my college he bristled at the thought of being required to do it. Must be a genetic thing. But thanks to tonite&#8217;s BCS both my boys have had the opportunity to experience the same thing I did at my alma mater, a National Championship in football.</p>
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		By: Farky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Farky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree.. the child support system is damaged beyond repair.  Conservatives keep asking, &quot;Why aren&#039;t men marrying and raising children?&quot;  Well, because it&#039;s a stacked deck.  Give me my vasectomy and damn the future, I don&#039;t want to be on the hook for the next 25 years just because mommy couldn&#039;t be bothered to take her pill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.. the child support system is damaged beyond repair.  Conservatives keep asking, &#8220;Why aren&#8217;t men marrying and raising children?&#8221;  Well, because it&#8217;s a stacked deck.  Give me my vasectomy and damn the future, I don&#8217;t want to be on the hook for the next 25 years just because mommy couldn&#8217;t be bothered to take her pill.</p>
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		By: semper ubi		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/child-support-through-age-23/comment-page-1/#comment-81655</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[semper ubi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pete Warden

This is similar to my situation going to university.  Divorced parents, no planning for my education, squabbling over who would provide support --- upshot, neither did.  Applied for financial aid, disclosed parental assets -- upshot, no aid.   Aid advisor suggested suing my parents, though when I asked on what basis, it seemed a little ... unclear.  Realistically, that wasn&#039;t an option.  They were being dorks, clearly, but I wasn&#039;t going to litigate a family squabble.   Plus I was 19, and was an independent adult, after all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete Warden</p>
<p>This is similar to my situation going to university.  Divorced parents, no planning for my education, squabbling over who would provide support &#8212; upshot, neither did.  Applied for financial aid, disclosed parental assets &#8212; upshot, no aid.   Aid advisor suggested suing my parents, though when I asked on what basis, it seemed a little &#8230; unclear.  Realistically, that wasn&#8217;t an option.  They were being dorks, clearly, but I wasn&#8217;t going to litigate a family squabble.   Plus I was 19, and was an independent adult, after all.</p>
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		By: EGarland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EGarland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen first hand the silliness that can result from Virginia&#039;s child support system...

The State raised my daughter&#039;s child support payments (she&#039;s the payee) the same month she quit a job as a government contractor...she was unaware that they had tripled her payment to $600 based on her current salary until after she quit...however, because she wasn&#039;t making payments during her job search, she was listed as deadbeat, which means she lost her security clearance...

When she went to court to try to get the payments lowered to reflect her (now) lower salary, she was informed she had to find a job &quot;equivalent to the one previously held&quot; - but of course, without a clearance, she couldn&#039;t do that...

Nevertheless, she now has to pay $600 (plus interest) monthly out of a $1400 monthly salary while meeting a car payment and daycare for her other (custodial) child...plus, because of her &quot;base&quot; salary, she isn&#039;t eligible for Medicaid...if she didn&#039;t live in my spare bedroom, she would be better off on welfare...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen first hand the silliness that can result from Virginia&#8217;s child support system&#8230;</p>
<p>The State raised my daughter&#8217;s child support payments (she&#8217;s the payee) the same month she quit a job as a government contractor&#8230;she was unaware that they had tripled her payment to $600 based on her current salary until after she quit&#8230;however, because she wasn&#8217;t making payments during her job search, she was listed as deadbeat, which means she lost her security clearance&#8230;</p>
<p>When she went to court to try to get the payments lowered to reflect her (now) lower salary, she was informed she had to find a job &#8220;equivalent to the one previously held&#8221; &#8211; but of course, without a clearance, she couldn&#8217;t do that&#8230;</p>
<p>Nevertheless, she now has to pay $600 (plus interest) monthly out of a $1400 monthly salary while meeting a car payment and daycare for her other (custodial) child&#8230;plus, because of her &#8220;base&#8221; salary, she isn&#8217;t eligible for Medicaid&#8230;if she didn&#8217;t live in my spare bedroom, she would be better off on welfare&#8230;</p>
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		By: GregS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GregS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frank: See South Parkie&#039;s post above yours. I think that&#039;s what he was referring to.

This is just the latest in the decades-long trend towards the infantalization of young people. Only a few decades ago the average 23 year old would already be married with kids and would have already been working for several years. A 23 year old would have been considered a fully-responsible adult, with all the expectations of supporting himself like an adult. Today, legislators can talk about 23 year old children with a straight face. How long until we&#039;re not considered to be adults until we&#039;re 30?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank: See South Parkie&#8217;s post above yours. I think that&#8217;s what he was referring to.</p>
<p>This is just the latest in the decades-long trend towards the infantalization of young people. Only a few decades ago the average 23 year old would already be married with kids and would have already been working for several years. A 23 year old would have been considered a fully-responsible adult, with all the expectations of supporting himself like an adult. Today, legislators can talk about 23 year old children with a straight face. How long until we&#8217;re not considered to be adults until we&#8217;re 30?</p>
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