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	Comments on: Martha Coakley and the Amirault case	</title>
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		By: Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Old news I by now but my recollection is that there were never any tunnels found in the Amirault matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old news I by now but my recollection is that there were never any tunnels found in the Amirault matter.</p>
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		By: January 20 roundup		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/martha-coakley-and-the-amirault-case/comment-page-1/#comment-82197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[January 20 roundup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] case contributed to Coakley&#8217;s political nosedive [e.g., Jacob Weisberg of Slate via Kaus, earlier] First time a Massachusetts prosecutor has paid a political price over that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] case contributed to Coakley&#8217;s political nosedive [e.g., Jacob Weisberg of Slate via Kaus, earlier] First time a Massachusetts prosecutor has paid a political price over that [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Johnny Potatoe		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/martha-coakley-and-the-amirault-case/comment-page-1/#comment-82183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny Potatoe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Coakley also prosecuted Louise Woodward. 99 % of prosecuters in all of the U.S. live by the credo:  &quot;Accusation is proof of guilt.&quot; If you&#039;ve never gone through it personally, you know nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coakley also prosecuted Louise Woodward. 99 % of prosecuters in all of the U.S. live by the credo:  &#8220;Accusation is proof of guilt.&#8221; If you&#8217;ve never gone through it personally, you know nothing.</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve deleted a number of comments in this and the related thread as repetitious, superfluous, scurrilous, or needlessly graphic. Those who wish to learn more about the views of anonymous commenter AWG are free to follow the links that he or she has provided, but I believe that his or her dispute with other commenters has by now gotten all the airing it needs and intend to moderate accordingly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve deleted a number of comments in this and the related thread as repetitious, superfluous, scurrilous, or needlessly graphic. Those who wish to learn more about the views of anonymous commenter AWG are free to follow the links that he or she has provided, but I believe that his or her dispute with other commenters has by now gotten all the airing it needs and intend to moderate accordingly.</p>
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		By: Peggy McGilligan		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/martha-coakley-and-the-amirault-case/comment-page-1/#comment-82148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peggy McGilligan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That none of the prosecutors, &quot;expert witnesses,&quot; etc., in the Amirault and similar cases ever got brought to justice, is yet another travesty. I lived in Massachusetts as a child, as did many baby boomers. I attended a preschool, took naps, drank hot chocolate and, in winter played on the ice. It was pure hell. Seriously, when the allegations of molestations with butcher knives and devil worship surfaced, it was a real stunner. How could this happen? That the cops, the psychologists, and the prosecutors all believed it, validated the acts. 

Encouraged by their mental health professionals, otherwise rational human beings from coast to coast, suddenly began dredging up primordial recollections of atrocities committed upon them. These accounts of ritual abuse were given even greater credence, when accompanied by some semblance of parental occult worship. Californians believed it wholeheartedly. Lord only knows what had been going on in Calif. But again, lives were destroyed. Once a suspect; always suspect. What happened was so egregious, such a deliberate and willful mischaracterization of justice, as to provoke ire in a reasonable person decades later.

If it’s taken this long to expose Ms. Coakley, I say give the woman her comeuppance. Justice demands no less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That none of the prosecutors, &#8220;expert witnesses,&#8221; etc., in the Amirault and similar cases ever got brought to justice, is yet another travesty. I lived in Massachusetts as a child, as did many baby boomers. I attended a preschool, took naps, drank hot chocolate and, in winter played on the ice. It was pure hell. Seriously, when the allegations of molestations with butcher knives and devil worship surfaced, it was a real stunner. How could this happen? That the cops, the psychologists, and the prosecutors all believed it, validated the acts. </p>
<p>Encouraged by their mental health professionals, otherwise rational human beings from coast to coast, suddenly began dredging up primordial recollections of atrocities committed upon them. These accounts of ritual abuse were given even greater credence, when accompanied by some semblance of parental occult worship. Californians believed it wholeheartedly. Lord only knows what had been going on in Calif. But again, lives were destroyed. Once a suspect; always suspect. What happened was so egregious, such a deliberate and willful mischaracterization of justice, as to provoke ire in a reasonable person decades later.</p>
<p>If it’s taken this long to expose Ms. Coakley, I say give the woman her comeuppance. Justice demands no less.</p>
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		By: The Wild Hunt &#187; Max Beauvoir Protests and other Pagan News of Note		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Wild Hunt &#187; Max Beauvoir Protests and other Pagan News of Note]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] The Overlawyered blog rounds up more blog and editorial commentary on Coakley relating to the Fells Acre case. Meanwhile, moderate conservative Andrew Sullivan seems to be leading the &#8220;Coakley is bad but Brown would be worse&#8221; charge at his blog (as are the Democratic partisan blogs, naturally). Though even he wonders if the &#8220;perfect storm&#8221; of resistance to Coakley can be turned aside. As I said before, I don&#8217;t envy the choices presented to Massachusetts voters. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Overlawyered blog rounds up more blog and editorial commentary on Coakley relating to the Fells Acre case. Meanwhile, moderate conservative Andrew Sullivan seems to be leading the &#8220;Coakley is bad but Brown would be worse&#8221; charge at his blog (as are the Democratic partisan blogs, naturally). Though even he wonders if the &#8220;perfect storm&#8221; of resistance to Coakley can be turned aside. As I said before, I don&#8217;t envy the choices presented to Massachusetts voters. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/martha-coakley-and-the-amirault-case/comment-page-1/#comment-82082</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to Ms. Rabinowitz:

&quot;When a teacher in the school saw him in action with the knife, she asked him what he was doing, and then told him not to do it again, a child said.&quot;

AWG&#039;s theory that the children were terrified into thinking a knife was being used on them doesn&#039;t square with the testimony.

What a ridiculous theory indeed; kind of like supposing the crop circles were caused by aliens from outer space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Ms. Rabinowitz:</p>
<p>&#8220;When a teacher in the school saw him in action with the knife, she asked him what he was doing, and then told him not to do it again, a child said.&#8221;</p>
<p>AWG&#8217;s theory that the children were terrified into thinking a knife was being used on them doesn&#8217;t square with the testimony.</p>
<p>What a ridiculous theory indeed; kind of like supposing the crop circles were caused by aliens from outer space.</p>
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		By: Justin		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/01/martha-coakley-and-the-amirault-case/comment-page-1/#comment-82080</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I looked at more of your websites. They seem to all be made up of articles that are from 15+ years ago. Not exactly up to date research there.  

I looked at more articles on S.M.A.R.T. as well, including rebuttals of... Wiki freaking pedia. Do you realize how pathetic your case needs to be if you feel the need to debate Wikipedia? Oh, and there&#039;s a &quot;Press Release&quot; claiming the Wikipedia article promotes pedophilia simply because the (sane) writers of the article don&#039;t buy into SMART&#039;s garbage.

Yet another site cited Jeffery &quot;Dalmer&quot;. As an example of ritual abuse. Despite the fact that their very definition of ritual abuse bears no similarity to &quot;Dalmer&#039;s&quot; actions. Oh, and his name is spelled Dahmer. Morons. But hey, why shouldn&#039;t I trust a website that can&#039;t even get the basic details and name of one of the most infamous serial killers correct.

And no, there never were any McMartin tunnels despite what lies your paranoid friends have told you. Try reading an article by someone who is actually sane. http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1_16.htm

Look, it has actual citations! How novel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at more of your websites. They seem to all be made up of articles that are from 15+ years ago. Not exactly up to date research there.  </p>
<p>I looked at more articles on S.M.A.R.T. as well, including rebuttals of&#8230; Wiki freaking pedia. Do you realize how pathetic your case needs to be if you feel the need to debate Wikipedia? Oh, and there&#8217;s a &#8220;Press Release&#8221; claiming the Wikipedia article promotes pedophilia simply because the (sane) writers of the article don&#8217;t buy into SMART&#8217;s garbage.</p>
<p>Yet another site cited Jeffery &#8220;Dalmer&#8221;. As an example of ritual abuse. Despite the fact that their very definition of ritual abuse bears no similarity to &#8220;Dalmer&#8217;s&#8221; actions. Oh, and his name is spelled Dahmer. Morons. But hey, why shouldn&#8217;t I trust a website that can&#8217;t even get the basic details and name of one of the most infamous serial killers correct.</p>
<p>And no, there never were any McMartin tunnels despite what lies your paranoid friends have told you. Try reading an article by someone who is actually sane. <a href="http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1_16.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1_16.htm</a></p>
<p>Look, it has actual citations! How novel.</p>
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		By: Amirault was guilty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amirault was guilty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[L.C. B.&#039;s post above simply continues the name calling and personal attacks of those defending Amirault on this board.  The ad hominem and personal attacks from those above professing Amirault’s innocence do not prove that any of the above websites given showing his guilt are inaccurate. They do show that the debaters defending Amirault are unable to debate fairly. Readers should not fall for these tactics. Read the websites given above and make your own decisions. 

In reply to W.N., the point is that children can be terrified into thinking a knife is being used on them, when they are being raped by something else.  They were shown a knife, but then something else was used.  Hence, no knife wounds. 

The real witch hunt is against survivors of child abuse and the lies that are being repeated as &quot;fact&quot; are the ones against the victims in this 
case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L.C. B.&#8217;s post above simply continues the name calling and personal attacks of those defending Amirault on this board.  The ad hominem and personal attacks from those above professing Amirault’s innocence do not prove that any of the above websites given showing his guilt are inaccurate. They do show that the debaters defending Amirault are unable to debate fairly. Readers should not fall for these tactics. Read the websites given above and make your own decisions. </p>
<p>In reply to W.N., the point is that children can be terrified into thinking a knife is being used on them, when they are being raped by something else.  They were shown a knife, but then something else was used.  Hence, no knife wounds. </p>
<p>The real witch hunt is against survivors of child abuse and the lies that are being repeated as &#8220;fact&#8221; are the ones against the victims in this<br />
case.</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to AWG:
&quot;Children can be terrified into believing things that aren’t true by child abusers. That can be shown a knife and told they are being raped by it and then are raped by something else. This is done to terrify the children further and discredit them if they ever are able to tell an adult about the crime.&quot;

Clearly the knife would have left some sign of damage, like bleeding to death. So it had to be something else. But what would that be? It would have to be small as no physical damage was apparent. If somebody said it was a knife, and that is impossible, what credence should be given to the story.

In the Little Rascals case, a child swore that she was penetrated by Mr. Bob. When the doctor said her hymen was intact, the woman prosecutor then said that rape did not require penetration, completely ignoring the fact that the child was definite about an impossible act.

AWG depressed me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to AWG:<br />
&#8220;Children can be terrified into believing things that aren’t true by child abusers. That can be shown a knife and told they are being raped by it and then are raped by something else. This is done to terrify the children further and discredit them if they ever are able to tell an adult about the crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly the knife would have left some sign of damage, like bleeding to death. So it had to be something else. But what would that be? It would have to be small as no physical damage was apparent. If somebody said it was a knife, and that is impossible, what credence should be given to the story.</p>
<p>In the Little Rascals case, a child swore that she was penetrated by Mr. Bob. When the doctor said her hymen was intact, the woman prosecutor then said that rape did not require penetration, completely ignoring the fact that the child was definite about an impossible act.</p>
<p>AWG depressed me.</p>
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