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		By: Anonymous Attorney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ron, have you ever tried a jury case?  

I&#039;ve won and lost for equally ridiculous reasons based on my discussions with jurors afterwards.  In a case I won, for instance, the plaintiff had a facially meritorious case, but the jury rejected her because they &quot;just thought she was real nasty.&quot;  Likewise, I&#039;ve lost in a case with no merit because the plaintiff &quot;was a real nice lady.&quot;

Nowhere, of course, does the judge charge the jury that thinking plaintiff is a &#039;real nice lady&#039; is grounds for a plaintiff&#039;s verdict.  But that&#039;s the level of sophistication we&#039;re dealing with for the average juror.   That&#039;s not to say they can&#039;t ever get it right or that common sense has no place, but law is tricky.  In the criminal law, for instance, most people don&#039;t get the Fifth Amendment right not to testify.  And if you think about it, that makes sense:  &quot;If they didn&#039;t do it, why don&#039;t they just take the stand and tell us?&quot;  So, not all jury failures to understand things are so blameworthy.

Juries are like democracy in microcosm.  You end up with a system that puts out the approximate level of quality put in.  For people in general, that&#039;s not all that high.  Maybe that&#039;s better than the alternatives, but I reserve the right to observe and criticize.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, have you ever tried a jury case?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve won and lost for equally ridiculous reasons based on my discussions with jurors afterwards.  In a case I won, for instance, the plaintiff had a facially meritorious case, but the jury rejected her because they &#8220;just thought she was real nasty.&#8221;  Likewise, I&#8217;ve lost in a case with no merit because the plaintiff &#8220;was a real nice lady.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nowhere, of course, does the judge charge the jury that thinking plaintiff is a &#8216;real nice lady&#8217; is grounds for a plaintiff&#8217;s verdict.  But that&#8217;s the level of sophistication we&#8217;re dealing with for the average juror.   That&#8217;s not to say they can&#8217;t ever get it right or that common sense has no place, but law is tricky.  In the criminal law, for instance, most people don&#8217;t get the Fifth Amendment right not to testify.  And if you think about it, that makes sense:  &#8220;If they didn&#8217;t do it, why don&#8217;t they just take the stand and tell us?&#8221;  So, not all jury failures to understand things are so blameworthy.</p>
<p>Juries are like democracy in microcosm.  You end up with a system that puts out the approximate level of quality put in.  For people in general, that&#8217;s not all that high.  Maybe that&#8217;s better than the alternatives, but I reserve the right to observe and criticize.</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney, you are right.  Juries can&#039;t figure anything SO complicated out as this because this is too &quot;mechanically minded.&quot; We really need to go back to system  we used to have when just the smart people made these kind of decisions.  Oh 1412!  I miss it so.  The little people are just so dumb, aren&#039;t they?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous Attorney, you are right.  Juries can&#8217;t figure anything SO complicated out as this because this is too &#8220;mechanically minded.&#8221; We really need to go back to system  we used to have when just the smart people made these kind of decisions.  Oh 1412!  I miss it so.  The little people are just so dumb, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		By: Ron Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the exact type of claim that would never fly in Maryland.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the exact type of claim that would never fly in Maryland.</p>
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		By: Bob Lipton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Lipton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, November is in the fall, isn&#039;t it?

Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, November is in the fall, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		By: E-Bell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E-Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whizzle, where are you getting that information?  The article says he fell on Valentine&#039;s Day 2 years ago but died in November, 2009.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whizzle, where are you getting that information?  The article says he fell on Valentine&#8217;s Day 2 years ago but died in November, 2009.</p>
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		By: Whizzle the Spizzle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whizzle the Spizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All this too-doo about a typo ?  

The plaintiff&#039;s husband died in Nov. 2009.  Somebody wrote &quot;he died from a fall&quot;, but they really meant &quot;he died IN the fall&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this too-doo about a typo ?  </p>
<p>The plaintiff&#8217;s husband died in Nov. 2009.  Somebody wrote &#8220;he died from a fall&#8221;, but they really meant &#8220;he died IN the fall&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Anonymous Attorney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After years as a civil defense attorney, I can tell you that stuff like this is pooh-poohed by plaintiff&#039;s attorneys.  &quot;Struggled with cancer?  No problem.  The fall was an &#039;aggravation&#039; of that condition.&quot;  They&#039;ll come up with a way to make the cancer a point in THEIR column, instead of the defense&#039;s.  Even if it wasn&#039;t the proximate cause of the death, they can still proceed, just not on a wrongful death theory.   He&#039;ll still be entitled to the portion of pain and suffering caused by the fall he endured until the moment of his death.  Few jurors are mechanically-minded enough to separate that out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years as a civil defense attorney, I can tell you that stuff like this is pooh-poohed by plaintiff&#8217;s attorneys.  &#8220;Struggled with cancer?  No problem.  The fall was an &#8216;aggravation&#8217; of that condition.&#8221;  They&#8217;ll come up with a way to make the cancer a point in THEIR column, instead of the defense&#8217;s.  Even if it wasn&#8217;t the proximate cause of the death, they can still proceed, just not on a wrongful death theory.   He&#8217;ll still be entitled to the portion of pain and suffering caused by the fall he endured until the moment of his death.  Few jurors are mechanically-minded enough to separate that out.</p>
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