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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I&#039;ve seen many cases that had merit, but not sufficient merit to warrant plaintiff counsel&#039;s unsupported and outrageous fee demands.  See Dominguez v American Suzuki (California), or Belfour v Shaumberg Auto (trying another link).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/1999/2ndDistrict/July/HTML/2980948.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/1999/2ndDistrict/July/HTML/2980948.htm&lt;/a&gt;

Defense counsel for the auto mfgs aren&#039;t the only ones playing fast and loose.  In my experience, they aren&#039;t even the usual one playing fast and loose.  Where the American rule of &quot;loser pays&quot; has been perverted by state Lemon Laws and the Magnusson Moss Warranty Act, there is no disincentive penalyzing plaintiff counsel for needless or groundless litigation. &quot;In terrorem&quot; litigation rules there, at least as much as it does in class actions - the death of a thousand cuts is an often apt analogy.  What few losses plaintiff counsel suffer are more than compensated for by lodestar adjustments to their already inflated fee requests.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve seen many cases that had merit, but not sufficient merit to warrant plaintiff counsel&#8217;s unsupported and outrageous fee demands.  See Dominguez v American Suzuki (California), or Belfour v Shaumberg Auto (trying another link).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/1999/2ndDistrict/July/HTML/2980948.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/1999/2ndDistrict/July/HTML/2980948.htm</a></p>
<p>Defense counsel for the auto mfgs aren&#8217;t the only ones playing fast and loose.  In my experience, they aren&#8217;t even the usual one playing fast and loose.  Where the American rule of &#8220;loser pays&#8221; has been perverted by state Lemon Laws and the Magnusson Moss Warranty Act, there is no disincentive penalyzing plaintiff counsel for needless or groundless litigation. &#8220;In terrorem&#8221; litigation rules there, at least as much as it does in class actions &#8211; the death of a thousand cuts is an often apt analogy.  What few losses plaintiff counsel suffer are more than compensated for by lodestar adjustments to their already inflated fee requests.</p>
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		By: Justinian Lane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justinian Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CarLitGuy: I&#039;ve seen the Hyundai decision before but not the Bentley one - thanks.

I&#039;m glad we can agree that not liking the law doesn&#039;t allow you to disregard it.  

Anonymous: Defense attorneys don&#039;t clam up completely.  They always say that the plaintiff&#039;s case &quot;has no merit.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CarLitGuy: I&#8217;ve seen the Hyundai decision before but not the Bentley one &#8211; thanks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad we can agree that not liking the law doesn&#8217;t allow you to disregard it.  </p>
<p>Anonymous: Defense attorneys don&#8217;t clam up completely.  They always say that the plaintiff&#8217;s case &#8220;has no merit.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Anonymous Attorney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The media is a low-friction conduit from the plaintiff attorney&#039;s press release to the pages of the newspaper or TV production room.  And their respective politics are such a nice meld, I doubt many journalists cast a critical eye on plaintiff attorney claims.  Of course, defense attorneys don&#039;t help matters much by clamming up completely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media is a low-friction conduit from the plaintiff attorney&#8217;s press release to the pages of the newspaper or TV production room.  And their respective politics are such a nice meld, I doubt many journalists cast a critical eye on plaintiff attorney claims.  Of course, defense attorneys don&#8217;t help matters much by clamming up completely.</p>
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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, those weren&#039;t the best links, but I hope they convey the gist of the decision.  Not at my regular machine, dont have a direct link to the opinion, Magana v Hyundai Motors.  Washington Supreme Court.  There is also a recent case from California, Doppes v Bentley, with some rather strong discovery sanctions in a warranty matter.

Given the lack of success in my prior efforts, i&#039;ll not try to link that case here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, those weren&#8217;t the best links, but I hope they convey the gist of the decision.  Not at my regular machine, dont have a direct link to the opinion, Magana v Hyundai Motors.  Washington Supreme Court.  There is also a recent case from California, Doppes v Bentley, with some rather strong discovery sanctions in a warranty matter.</p>
<p>Given the lack of success in my prior efforts, i&#8217;ll not try to link that case here.</p>
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		By: CarLitGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CarLitGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On this, Justinian, we agree.  Hyundai recently got an introduction to US-style sanctions for discovery violations by way of the Washongton state courts.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/article.asp?articleid=92152&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/article.asp?articleid=92152&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ediscoverylaw.com/2006/06/articles/case-summaries/washington-court-enters-ultimate-sanction-of-default-against-defendants-for-discovery-abuses-reinstating-8064055-jury-verdict/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ediscoverylaw.com/2006/06/articles/case-summaries/washington-court-enters-ultimate-sanction-of-default-against-defendants-for-discovery-abuses-reinstating-8064055-jury-verdict/&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perkinscoie.com/news/pubs_detail.aspx?publication=2405&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.perkinscoie.com/news/pubs_detail.aspx?publication=2405&lt;/a&gt;

Regardless of how I may feel on certain policy decisions advanced by various courts, I am a strong advocate for parties being treated equally by the courts.  toyota should no more be singled out for special treatment than General Motors, Ford, or any other person appearing - plaintiff or defendant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this, Justinian, we agree.  Hyundai recently got an introduction to US-style sanctions for discovery violations by way of the Washongton state courts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/article.asp?articleid=92152" rel="nofollow">http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/article.asp?articleid=92152</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ediscoverylaw.com/2006/06/articles/case-summaries/washington-court-enters-ultimate-sanction-of-default-against-defendants-for-discovery-abuses-reinstating-8064055-jury-verdict/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ediscoverylaw.com/2006/06/articles/case-summaries/washington-court-enters-ultimate-sanction-of-default-against-defendants-for-discovery-abuses-reinstating-8064055-jury-verdict/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.perkinscoie.com/news/pubs_detail.aspx?publication=2405" rel="nofollow">http://www.perkinscoie.com/news/pubs_detail.aspx?publication=2405</a></p>
<p>Regardless of how I may feel on certain policy decisions advanced by various courts, I am a strong advocate for parties being treated equally by the courts.  toyota should no more be singled out for special treatment than General Motors, Ford, or any other person appearing &#8211; plaintiff or defendant.</p>
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		By: Justinian Lane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justinian Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope you&#039;ll agree that whatever Japan&#039;s legal culture may be has no bearing upon whether Toyota must obey U.S. court orders in U.S. lawsuits.  

Evidence is mounting that instead of refusing to disclose certain documents under some evidentiary privilege, Toyota just denied that the documents existed in the first place.  If that&#039;s what happened, the company shouldn&#039;t be let off the hook because Japan doesn&#039;t allow U.S.-style discovery.  Toyota voluntarily entered our market, and are thus obligated to play by our rules.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;ll agree that whatever Japan&#8217;s legal culture may be has no bearing upon whether Toyota must obey U.S. court orders in U.S. lawsuits.  </p>
<p>Evidence is mounting that instead of refusing to disclose certain documents under some evidentiary privilege, Toyota just denied that the documents existed in the first place.  If that&#8217;s what happened, the company shouldn&#8217;t be let off the hook because Japan doesn&#8217;t allow U.S.-style discovery.  Toyota voluntarily entered our market, and are thus obligated to play by our rules.</p>
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