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	Comments on: Muslim woman demands female attendant for emergency-room EKG	</title>
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		By: Medical Patient Modesty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Medical Patient Modesty]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Majorie has provided excellent insights on sexual abuse victims. Many of us don’t take into consideration about how they might feel about opposite sex doctors or nurses doing intimate procedures on them. Many rape victims are even upset about the way some female nurses and doctors don’t respect their wishes for modesty. For example, one victim was upset about how she was put in a room with curtains. She wanted a private room with a door.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Majorie has provided excellent insights on sexual abuse victims. Many of us don’t take into consideration about how they might feel about opposite sex doctors or nurses doing intimate procedures on them. Many rape victims are even upset about the way some female nurses and doctors don’t respect their wishes for modesty. For example, one victim was upset about how she was put in a room with curtains. She wanted a private room with a door.</p>
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		By: Marjorie Starr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marjorie Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nobody know where someone is coming from.  Victims of sexual abuse or assault have their world changed forever.  These people who often become patients feel degraded and humiliated by opposite gender care and traumatized when this care is performed by strangers.

The civil rights act of 1964 that paved the way for equal employment put a privacy clause in the law.    Example, if you were applying for a job in a women&#039;s restroom it would be expected that it w0uld be a bona fide occupational job qualification that the employee be female.

Sexual assault victims who have post traumatic stress disorder (that is a recognized disability) have the right out of medical necesssity to obtain same gender care.  Not giving it to them is the same as asking a wheelchair bound patient to get up and walk if they want to be attended to.  Patients with PTSD often have triggers that will elevate bloood pressure and give false readings.  Someone coming into the ER under those circumstances would find it medically necessary to accommodate same gender care to meet their disability in the event of suspected heart attack or stroke.

The bottom line is &quot;to do no harm&quot;.  Patients feeling humiliated will avoid healthcare.  It&#039;s time for the medical community to be more sensitive to patient need first and foremost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody know where someone is coming from.  Victims of sexual abuse or assault have their world changed forever.  These people who often become patients feel degraded and humiliated by opposite gender care and traumatized when this care is performed by strangers.</p>
<p>The civil rights act of 1964 that paved the way for equal employment put a privacy clause in the law.    Example, if you were applying for a job in a women&#8217;s restroom it would be expected that it w0uld be a bona fide occupational job qualification that the employee be female.</p>
<p>Sexual assault victims who have post traumatic stress disorder (that is a recognized disability) have the right out of medical necesssity to obtain same gender care.  Not giving it to them is the same as asking a wheelchair bound patient to get up and walk if they want to be attended to.  Patients with PTSD often have triggers that will elevate bloood pressure and give false readings.  Someone coming into the ER under those circumstances would find it medically necessary to accommodate same gender care to meet their disability in the event of suspected heart attack or stroke.</p>
<p>The bottom line is &#8220;to do no harm&#8221;.  Patients feeling humiliated will avoid healthcare.  It&#8217;s time for the medical community to be more sensitive to patient need first and foremost.</p>
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		By: Bob Lipton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Lipton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is, I think, the correct decision in such a case.  My issue is not, therefore, with you.  It is with the sense of entitlement that suffuses our society:  the belief that we should have  exactly what we want, when we want it,  and at no extra charge.  You suggest that in order to get what you want, you are willing to accept the extra charges of waiting and pain. I admire that that statement and respect you for making it.

If you are willing to accept what is offered you, then that is one thing.  If you demand extras, it costs more, in time, money, pain, risk or convenience.   

In the case under discussion we are confronted with the situation where the woman and her husband are demanding extras and insisting that others pay for it.  In the emergency room situation I cited, St. Vincents&#039;  had decided that the right number of doctors to have in the emergency room at that hour was one.  It certainly semed right to me as  it was not busy.  Yet, in order to accommodate some one who insisted on only being seen by a woman -- or some other demand -- they would have been forced to have several doctors present at a substantially higher cost --  and who is  to pay the scot?  

By the by, St. Vincent&#039;s recently ran out of money and closed --- nothing to do, so far as I am aware, with issues under consideration in this thread.

Bob

Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is, I think, the correct decision in such a case.  My issue is not, therefore, with you.  It is with the sense of entitlement that suffuses our society:  the belief that we should have  exactly what we want, when we want it,  and at no extra charge.  You suggest that in order to get what you want, you are willing to accept the extra charges of waiting and pain. I admire that that statement and respect you for making it.</p>
<p>If you are willing to accept what is offered you, then that is one thing.  If you demand extras, it costs more, in time, money, pain, risk or convenience.   </p>
<p>In the case under discussion we are confronted with the situation where the woman and her husband are demanding extras and insisting that others pay for it.  In the emergency room situation I cited, St. Vincents&#8217;  had decided that the right number of doctors to have in the emergency room at that hour was one.  It certainly semed right to me as  it was not busy.  Yet, in order to accommodate some one who insisted on only being seen by a woman &#8212; or some other demand &#8212; they would have been forced to have several doctors present at a substantially higher cost &#8212;  and who is  to pay the scot?  </p>
<p>By the by, St. Vincent&#8217;s recently ran out of money and closed &#8212; nothing to do, so far as I am aware, with issues under consideration in this thread.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		By: Christian Woman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Woman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob,

I would simply have refused treatment at St. Vincent&#039;s. I&#039;d rather to suffer than let a man see certain parts of my body that are supposed to be for my future husband only. I would have waited until the next day or gone to another hospital. Many women suffer pain of labor for hours. For example, a lady who has a large ovarian cyst that has caused a lot pain has already suffered a lot of pain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I would simply have refused treatment at St. Vincent&#8217;s. I&#8217;d rather to suffer than let a man see certain parts of my body that are supposed to be for my future husband only. I would have waited until the next day or gone to another hospital. Many women suffer pain of labor for hours. For example, a lady who has a large ovarian cyst that has caused a lot pain has already suffered a lot of pain.</p>
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		By: alan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[as this seems to be a religious problem, not a medical one (she could have been treated by a non muslim ....) perhaps she should take it up with god!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as this seems to be a religious problem, not a medical one (she could have been treated by a non muslim &#8230;.) perhaps she should take it up with god!</p>
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		By: SPQR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SPQR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Common sense is dead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common sense is dead.</p>
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		By: Bill Alexander		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you are conscious you can usually refuse treatment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are conscious you can usually refuse treatment.</p>
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		By: Bob Lipton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Lipton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And suppose it had been your private parts that you don&#039;t want any man to see, you had come into St. Vincent&#039;s at 4Am and only a male doctor was available?

I recognize your wishes and they are not invalid.     But sometimes we don&#039;t have choices.

Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And suppose it had been your private parts that you don&#8217;t want any man to see, you had come into St. Vincent&#8217;s at 4Am and only a male doctor was available?</p>
<p>I recognize your wishes and they are not invalid.     But sometimes we don&#8217;t have choices.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		By: Christian Woman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Woman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for Bob Lipton&#039;s example regarding an injured hand, I feel this is very different. Your hand is not private. I can understand why a woman would only want a female EKG technician since her breasts have to be exposed. I am a Christian woman who doesn&#039;t want any men including doctors or nurses to see and touch certain parts of my body that should be reserved for my future husband.  I feel that my future husband should be the only man in the world who can see and touch certain parts of my body.  

I don&#039;t believe in covering your face like muslim women do.  It makes me feel hot to see the way muslim women dress in the summer. I love wearing shorts and tank tops/short sleeved shirts that are modest in the summer.   I simply don&#039;t want male medical professionals to see parts of my body that are covered by a bathing suit.  If I had a knee problem, I would not mind seeing a male doctor as long as I remained clothed. I would wear shorts instead of pants of course. 

I have gone to ER for severe case of swimmer&#039;s ear and strep throat. I had male doctors for both. It didn&#039;t matter to me because ears and throat are not private. I can let anyone in the public see those body parts.  

I think that there should be far more female EKG technicians than male ones since men can take their shirt off any time in front of either sex. 

I think it is horrible how people&#039;s wishes for modesty are violated. There are some terrible modesty violation cases that you can find at http://www.patientmodesty.org/modesty.aspx .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Bob Lipton&#8217;s example regarding an injured hand, I feel this is very different. Your hand is not private. I can understand why a woman would only want a female EKG technician since her breasts have to be exposed. I am a Christian woman who doesn&#8217;t want any men including doctors or nurses to see and touch certain parts of my body that should be reserved for my future husband.  I feel that my future husband should be the only man in the world who can see and touch certain parts of my body.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe in covering your face like muslim women do.  It makes me feel hot to see the way muslim women dress in the summer. I love wearing shorts and tank tops/short sleeved shirts that are modest in the summer.   I simply don&#8217;t want male medical professionals to see parts of my body that are covered by a bathing suit.  If I had a knee problem, I would not mind seeing a male doctor as long as I remained clothed. I would wear shorts instead of pants of course. </p>
<p>I have gone to ER for severe case of swimmer&#8217;s ear and strep throat. I had male doctors for both. It didn&#8217;t matter to me because ears and throat are not private. I can let anyone in the public see those body parts.  </p>
<p>I think that there should be far more female EKG technicians than male ones since men can take their shirt off any time in front of either sex. </p>
<p>I think it is horrible how people&#8217;s wishes for modesty are violated. There are some terrible modesty violation cases that you can find at <a href="http://www.patientmodesty.org/modesty.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.patientmodesty.org/modesty.aspx</a> .</p>
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		By: Jack Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. S, how hard would it be for a doctor to bring me a cold beer when I want one?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. S, how hard would it be for a doctor to bring me a cold beer when I want one?</p>
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