Comments on: “Rape by deception” in Israel

By: Justin

Justin — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:33:01 +0000

From the various articles I have read, it seems that the Judge pronounced on the aspect of him claiming that he was single, when in fact he was married.

This puts a slightly different aspect on it and may even be welcome as a deterient to all those marries peopleout there that deny it and hit on a person who wants a serious relationship and then later find out that they were lied to and hurt. many of those would never have had sex with a married person. In these cases I could almost see the rape by deception justification.

However, in this circumstances, in all the articles I have read and all the reports, they all agree that she cried rape on finding out that he was an arab and not a Jew. And 15 min from meeting they had sex.

Sorry, I think she had one think on her mind and was just offended that the guy she was so hot for turned out to be an arab and that’s not rape, that’s racism.

By: David Schwartz

David Schwartz — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:39:22 +0000

Why would she care about the religion of guys she has one night stands with? I understand why a person might care about the religion of someone they marry as it bears on issues of couple perception, child rearing, and so on.

There is simply no way she can plausibly claim any connection between the deception and the sex. A person who applies for a job at McDonald’s as a cashier isn’t rationally concerned about how much money he can make if he gets promoted to CEO. Nobody chooses their summer job on that basis.

By: Bill H

Bill H — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:50:32 +0000

If a a white Christian woman were making this claim about a Jewish man, it would be pounced upon as pure, anti-Semitic evil. Abraham Foxman would be tearing his clothes off in the middle of the street.

Thanks, but I really don’t need visuals. 🙂

By: Anonymous Attorney

Anonymous Attorney — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:46:09 +0000

If a a white Christian woman were making this claim about a Jewish man, it would be pounced upon as pure, anti-Semitic evil. Abraham Foxman would be tearing his clothes off in the middle of the street.

By: Benji

Benji — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:05:35 +0000

@Austin: Not sure about rape, but – there have been cases where a person was HIV positive and knew this and continued having sex with new partners without telling them, and this was determined to be grounds for assault with a deadly weapon charges. The situation you described is horrible but it’s covered (fairly clearly to my knowledge) by existing assault law, while a rape charge in the same situation is a less clear matter.

By: Kola

Kola — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:35:56 +0000

This is simply a recipe for more craziness. The guy told a lie. End of that story. At most he should be charged with fraudulent misrepresentation. But rape…i really wonder. If a man tells a woman that he lives in a $6million-a-year apartment and she has sex with him on this basis in a ‘nearby building’, is this also rape? or he tells her he just won the lottery and is later found to have lied…follow the thread…

By: Austin

Austin — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:46:12 +0000

Let’s say I only have sex with woman from who don’t have AIDS. An a woman says she doesn’t have AIDS, and so we have sex. I then later on find out SHE DID. Should that be grounds for “rape by deception?”

If I value the situation surrounding my consensual sex so much the burden is on me to check the facts before I engage, otherwise, I’m just being foolish.

~Austin

By: Commentor

Commentor — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:13:49 +0000

I can sort of see a justification for the law based on fraud in the factum, i.e. fraud that completely destroys consent. An example would be stealing into someone’s room and posing as their husband. In contracts, it would be having someone sign something presented as an autograph but its really a contract.

Where I really have a problem with such a law is for fraud in the inducement, i.e. he told me he was a doctor. In such a situation, the person nevertheless had the intent to have sexual relations with that particular person.

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 03:52:29 +0000

I think I’d kind of have to agree with Paul there.

By: steve mansfield

steve mansfield — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:26:55 +0000

This is one of the most ludicrous things I have ever read. So the guy said he was Jewish but wasn’t . Using the logic of the court, does that mean if a guy tells a girl he loves her so she will sleep with him but, once the act is over he says he really doesn’t does that mean he has committed rape? Has the law gone so far as to make caddish behavior a felony? Under Israeli law does this conviction mean the guy has to register as a sex offender for life? As an interesting side point apparently they met and then proceeded to a building and did it; perhaps he should have claimed the slut defense.