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		By: DensityDuck		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/08/the-egg-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-100973</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DensityDuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the commentors (at NYT) who point out that this shoots the locavore movement in the head, but that it&#039;s still okay because it affects big business too.

It&#039;s like the old joke about the old Polack who finds a bottle with a genie.  The genie grants him a wish.  He wishes that Genghis Khan and his Horde would rise from the grave and sack Poland.  The genie says &quot;why do you want that to happen?&quot;  The Polack says &quot;because on the way here he&#039;ll go through Russia!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the commentors (at NYT) who point out that this shoots the locavore movement in the head, but that it&#8217;s still okay because it affects big business too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the old joke about the old Polack who finds a bottle with a genie.  The genie grants him a wish.  He wishes that Genghis Khan and his Horde would rise from the grave and sack Poland.  The genie says &#8220;why do you want that to happen?&#8221;  The Polack says &#8220;because on the way here he&#8217;ll go through Russia!&#8221;</p>
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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/08/the-egg-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-99534</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I met a guy who replaced all the plumbing in a school because of a positive indication for lead in the water. The water entering the building had no lead. The idea was that the lead was coming from solder. If you ever did a sweat joint, you would know that but a trivial amount of solder is exposed to water. It is a truly nutty idea.

The water was checked after the man finished his work, and lead was still there. Some lead is needed for faucets to work. I just found out why the sensors for lead are so sensitive. It has nothing to do with health, but the levels of lead picked up by the sensors could mess up geological age determinations.

If the source of the salmonella was found and cleaned up, then the health system worked. Why would new laws be required?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met a guy who replaced all the plumbing in a school because of a positive indication for lead in the water. The water entering the building had no lead. The idea was that the lead was coming from solder. If you ever did a sweat joint, you would know that but a trivial amount of solder is exposed to water. It is a truly nutty idea.</p>
<p>The water was checked after the man finished his work, and lead was still there. Some lead is needed for faucets to work. I just found out why the sensors for lead are so sensitive. It has nothing to do with health, but the levels of lead picked up by the sensors could mess up geological age determinations.</p>
<p>If the source of the salmonella was found and cleaned up, then the health system worked. Why would new laws be required?</p>
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		By: GregS		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/08/the-egg-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-99279</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GregS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At this point, those people who demand &quot;proof&quot; that the CPSIA is harmful are either people who have been paying no attention to the issue, or are people who are explicitly committed in their minds to not acknowledging any problem with the law. Common sense would tell  them that a regulatory regime that is very expensive to comply with will drive out of the market any producers too small to pay the cost of complying with that regime. And if they don&#039;t trust common sense, they still have the testimonial of many small businesses owners on how the costs of the CPSIA have harmed or wrecked their businesses. If they reject this testimony as &quot;anecdotes&quot;, then it&#039;s clear that they have committed themselves to rejecting any evidence that the law is harmful. Which means it&#039;s pointless to waste time trying to persuade them of it - they refuse to believe it because they don&#039;t want to believe it, and no matter what argument you come up with, they&#039;ll think up some rationalization to justify rejecting your argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, those people who demand &#8220;proof&#8221; that the CPSIA is harmful are either people who have been paying no attention to the issue, or are people who are explicitly committed in their minds to not acknowledging any problem with the law. Common sense would tell  them that a regulatory regime that is very expensive to comply with will drive out of the market any producers too small to pay the cost of complying with that regime. And if they don&#8217;t trust common sense, they still have the testimonial of many small businesses owners on how the costs of the CPSIA have harmed or wrecked their businesses. If they reject this testimony as &#8220;anecdotes&#8221;, then it&#8217;s clear that they have committed themselves to rejecting any evidence that the law is harmful. Which means it&#8217;s pointless to waste time trying to persuade them of it &#8211; they refuse to believe it because they don&#8217;t want to believe it, and no matter what argument you come up with, they&#8217;ll think up some rationalization to justify rejecting your argument.</p>
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		By: GregS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GregS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Many smaller producers, on the other hand, suspect there will be less room for them, and for local variety generally, in this reassuring new world of business and government cooperation. &quot;

Leaving less room for small producers and local variety is probably one of the goals that the authors and promoters of this legislation want to achieve.  To them, it&#039;s a feature, not a bug. They won&#039;t admit it, of course. They use &quot;consumer safety&quot; as cover to justify the law. But the real motives behind this law, in my opinion, are (a) rent-seeking by the big producers, who want to freeze smaller competitors out of the market, and (b) the statist desire of legislators for tight government control over agriculture, which is a lot easier to achieve when you only have a handful of large companies to regulate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many smaller producers, on the other hand, suspect there will be less room for them, and for local variety generally, in this reassuring new world of business and government cooperation. &#8221;</p>
<p>Leaving less room for small producers and local variety is probably one of the goals that the authors and promoters of this legislation want to achieve.  To them, it&#8217;s a feature, not a bug. They won&#8217;t admit it, of course. They use &#8220;consumer safety&#8221; as cover to justify the law. But the real motives behind this law, in my opinion, are (a) rent-seeking by the big producers, who want to freeze smaller competitors out of the market, and (b) the statist desire of legislators for tight government control over agriculture, which is a lot easier to achieve when you only have a handful of large companies to regulate.</p>
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		By: Stewart Peterson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stewart Peterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But Walter, they read the paper! They&#039;re so much better than you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Walter, they read the paper! They&#8217;re so much better than you!</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/08/the-egg-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-99270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My favorites in that comment section are the ones from the practitioners of Extreme Factual Skepticism who demand proof that CPSIA has done any special harm to small producers of children&#039;s goods aside from the recession. If they don&#039;t consider that point well-established by now, maybe it&#039;s because the New York Times (an  &lt;a href=&quot;http://overlawyered.com/2009/11/the-new-york-times-finally-reports-on-cpsia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;absurdly belated October 2009 story&lt;/a&gt; aside) &lt;a href=&quot;http://overlawyered.com/2009/07/cpsia-kids-resale-and-the-times-contd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;steadfastly&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://overlawyered.com/2009/02/cpsia-ny-times-prints-nancy-nord-letter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;refused&lt;/a&gt; to do any reporting on that story, long after most other big papers were on to it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorites in that comment section are the ones from the practitioners of Extreme Factual Skepticism who demand proof that CPSIA has done any special harm to small producers of children&#8217;s goods aside from the recession. If they don&#8217;t consider that point well-established by now, maybe it&#8217;s because the New York Times (an  <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2009/11/the-new-york-times-finally-reports-on-cpsia/" rel="nofollow">absurdly belated October 2009 story</a> aside) <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2009/07/cpsia-kids-resale-and-the-times-contd/" rel="nofollow">steadfastly</a>  <a href="http://overlawyered.com/2009/02/cpsia-ny-times-prints-nancy-nord-letter/" rel="nofollow">refused</a> to do any reporting on that story, long after most other big papers were on to it.</p>
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		By: Stewart Peterson		</title>
		<link>https://www.overlawyered.com/2010/08/the-egg-and-i/comment-page-1/#comment-99265</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stewart Peterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice comment section over there, by the way. The most flattering ones are &quot;well, gee, I hate this guy Olson&#039;s guts, but he might be on to something here.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice comment section over there, by the way. The most flattering ones are &#8220;well, gee, I hate this guy Olson&#8217;s guts, but he might be on to something here.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 03:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wait&#039;ll they find out you can get tapeworms from pork and mad cow from beef. Or are their respective lobbies better financed than the egg producers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8217;ll they find out you can get tapeworms from pork and mad cow from beef. Or are their respective lobbies better financed than the egg producers?</p>
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		By: Walter Olson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, fixed block quote problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, fixed block quote problem.</p>
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		By: Ted Frank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/23/fda-eggs-salmonella-opinions-columnists-richard-a-epstein.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Richard Epstein&lt;/a&gt;.  (There seems to be a typo in where you end the block quote in this post.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/23/fda-eggs-salmonella-opinions-columnists-richard-a-epstein.html" rel="nofollow">Richard Epstein</a>.  (There seems to be a typo in where you end the block quote in this post.)</p>
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