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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would take the opposite position.  I think PA should respond in a logical manner and reduce its barriers to collecting valid debts.  Virtually all of the various collection rules which have been enacted are properly described as &quot;hoops,&quot;   which creditors need to jump through.  They have little, if any, relationship to weeding out un-meritorious claims.   They do nothing but needlessly increase transaction costs.  Maybe its true that the banks should not have lent Deadbeat X that money?  I can agree to that.  But the idea that since they never should have lent the money in the first place does not mean that they should be arbitrarily impaired from attempting collection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take the opposite position.  I think PA should respond in a logical manner and reduce its barriers to collecting valid debts.  Virtually all of the various collection rules which have been enacted are properly described as &#8220;hoops,&#8221;   which creditors need to jump through.  They have little, if any, relationship to weeding out un-meritorious claims.   They do nothing but needlessly increase transaction costs.  Maybe its true that the banks should not have lent Deadbeat X that money?  I can agree to that.  But the idea that since they never should have lent the money in the first place does not mean that they should be arbitrarily impaired from attempting collection.</p>
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		By: no name guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[no name guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris.  That in no way excuses the behavior of the dirt bag collectors in this case (if, a big if, the facts as alleged are substantially true).

Potential creditors should respond in a logical matter - reducing their exposure to potential deadbeats and raising rates to cover the losses.  Of course, the so called consumer activists will whine up a storm, yadda yadda yadda....lack of credit, hurting those on the margin, so on and so forth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris.  That in no way excuses the behavior of the dirt bag collectors in this case (if, a big if, the facts as alleged are substantially true).</p>
<p>Potential creditors should respond in a logical matter &#8211; reducing their exposure to potential deadbeats and raising rates to cover the losses.  Of course, the so called consumer activists will whine up a storm, yadda yadda yadda&#8230;.lack of credit, hurting those on the margin, so on and so forth.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From what I understand, PA makes it notoriously difficult to collect a debt.  I spoke with someone at a large debt collection firm and they pulled out of PA because they could not make any money.  From what he told me, PA does not allow you to garnish a person&#039;s wages and exempts a large amount from a bank levy (you can only levy money above a certain amount from a bank account).  If the person does not own real property you can attach to, you are screwed.  Involuntary collection in PA is pretty much impossible.  Under those circumstances, it is not surprising a creditor would make up an alternative court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand, PA makes it notoriously difficult to collect a debt.  I spoke with someone at a large debt collection firm and they pulled out of PA because they could not make any money.  From what he told me, PA does not allow you to garnish a person&#8217;s wages and exempts a large amount from a bank levy (you can only levy money above a certain amount from a bank account).  If the person does not own real property you can attach to, you are screwed.  Involuntary collection in PA is pretty much impossible.  Under those circumstances, it is not surprising a creditor would make up an alternative court.</p>
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		By: Bill Alexander		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, ChC, you acknowledge you defaulted on a debt where you borrowed money in good faith because you were unhappy with their admittedly poor way of collecting. No matter what they did, it doesn&#039;t change the fact that you cheated them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, ChC, you acknowledge you defaulted on a debt where you borrowed money in good faith because you were unhappy with their admittedly poor way of collecting. No matter what they did, it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that you cheated them.</p>
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		By: ChC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ChC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess I should have excepted the bond market from my blanket statement, but I don&#039;t think some guy named Patel is hounding the holders of munis and corporates. It&#039;s banks, credit card companies and mortgage holders who failed to perform due diligence in the first place and don&#039;t want to be bothered making the calls themselves who are feeding this market, and I think you know that.

Another example: I had a Brooks Brothers credit card and I don&#039;t know if they didn&#039;t mail me a statement or if it got lost in the mail but they turned it over to another party for collection without even sending a second notice. That&#039;s just lazy, as well as bad customer service, and they deserve to eat that fifteen dollars. And, no, I didn&#039;t pay the collection agency for that one either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should have excepted the bond market from my blanket statement, but I don&#8217;t think some guy named Patel is hounding the holders of munis and corporates. It&#8217;s banks, credit card companies and mortgage holders who failed to perform due diligence in the first place and don&#8217;t want to be bothered making the calls themselves who are feeding this market, and I think you know that.</p>
<p>Another example: I had a Brooks Brothers credit card and I don&#8217;t know if they didn&#8217;t mail me a statement or if it got lost in the mail but they turned it over to another party for collection without even sending a second notice. That&#8217;s just lazy, as well as bad customer service, and they deserve to eat that fifteen dollars. And, no, I didn&#8217;t pay the collection agency for that one either.</p>
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		By: Squirrels		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Squirrels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At least they tabled their plans for mock executions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least they tabled their plans for mock executions.</p>
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		By: No Name Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No Name Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Debt is debt is debt, no matter the form.   Your PRINCIPAL of not allowing debt to be sold is a poor one.  

I was using the example of a GM bond holder (screwed, btw by the command of a man, instead of being in the front of the line per the rule of LAW) as a great example of why being able to sell debt is useful - they could have got something instead of the nothing they did get.  And no, I&#039;m not stupid enough (nor will ever be) to buy any part of any industry dominated by unions after what they and their cronies in DC did to the GM bond holders.  Only a fool would do so.

And David hits the nail on the head:  &quot;A thriving market for debt makes it possible to lend.&quot;

BTW ChC:  Yes, I got those same calls as well.  I finally started asking them who it was they wanted, pressing those @$$ clowns.  They finally shut the heck up and quit bothering me.  Something else you can do is block the number from where the call is coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debt is debt is debt, no matter the form.   Your PRINCIPAL of not allowing debt to be sold is a poor one.  </p>
<p>I was using the example of a GM bond holder (screwed, btw by the command of a man, instead of being in the front of the line per the rule of LAW) as a great example of why being able to sell debt is useful &#8211; they could have got something instead of the nothing they did get.  And no, I&#8217;m not stupid enough (nor will ever be) to buy any part of any industry dominated by unions after what they and their cronies in DC did to the GM bond holders.  Only a fool would do so.</p>
<p>And David hits the nail on the head:  &#8220;A thriving market for debt makes it possible to lend.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW ChC:  Yes, I got those same calls as well.  I finally started asking them who it was they wanted, pressing those @$$ clowns.  They finally shut the heck up and quit bothering me.  Something else you can do is block the number from where the call is coming.</p>
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		By: David Schwartz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Schwartz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ChC: How will the mom and pop know what they can and cannot lawfully say or do when they make the calls? And what about the person who holds a debt but can&#039;t afford to wait until it matures?

How could I, for example, sell off an annuity for a fixed payment if the new owner of the annuity would have to get me to collect for them?

I don&#039;t think you realize how badly you would be hurting the people you are trying to help. If you reduce the value of debt, that means those who go into debt get less money in the first place. A thriving market for debt makes it possible to lend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChC: How will the mom and pop know what they can and cannot lawfully say or do when they make the calls? And what about the person who holds a debt but can&#8217;t afford to wait until it matures?</p>
<p>How could I, for example, sell off an annuity for a fixed payment if the new owner of the annuity would have to get me to collect for them?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you realize how badly you would be hurting the people you are trying to help. If you reduce the value of debt, that means those who go into debt get less money in the first place. A thriving market for debt makes it possible to lend.</p>
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		By: ChC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ChC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and to NN Guy: I don&#039;t see where bonds, corporates or munis, fit into this. If you bought a GM bond and are still holding it, I really hate to be the one to break this to you, you are SOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and to NN Guy: I don&#8217;t see where bonds, corporates or munis, fit into this. If you bought a GM bond and are still holding it, I really hate to be the one to break this to you, you are SOL.</p>
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		By: ChC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ChC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 09:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m biased, but when an entire industry is rotten to the core I say it should be abolished.

I have been getting calls several times a day for a decade or more; recorded messages insisting that I return the call to somebody named Patel who I assume works in India. They are looking for somebody named Zanubria, as well as other random people. My name is not Zanubria, and I suppose I could call Patel and explain this to him but why bother? He would only ask for a lot of personal identifying information that would be entered into their database to eventually be used against me with some phony claim. My favorites are the ones that say that by not answering them I am acknowledging that I am indeed the person they are hounding. Seriously, who replies to these calls? If they were going to sue me they would have done it years ago. They don&#039;t even know who I am and they don&#039;t care. 

I miss the old days where at least a live person would make the call and offer threats.

If some mom and pop store loses out on a bounced check, let them make the calls. Most of the debt is sold off by financial companies, lenders and the like, anyway and we all know the shenanigans they have been involved in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m biased, but when an entire industry is rotten to the core I say it should be abolished.</p>
<p>I have been getting calls several times a day for a decade or more; recorded messages insisting that I return the call to somebody named Patel who I assume works in India. They are looking for somebody named Zanubria, as well as other random people. My name is not Zanubria, and I suppose I could call Patel and explain this to him but why bother? He would only ask for a lot of personal identifying information that would be entered into their database to eventually be used against me with some phony claim. My favorites are the ones that say that by not answering them I am acknowledging that I am indeed the person they are hounding. Seriously, who replies to these calls? If they were going to sue me they would have done it years ago. They don&#8217;t even know who I am and they don&#8217;t care. </p>
<p>I miss the old days where at least a live person would make the call and offer threats.</p>
<p>If some mom and pop store loses out on a bounced check, let them make the calls. Most of the debt is sold off by financial companies, lenders and the like, anyway and we all know the shenanigans they have been involved in.</p>
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