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		By: William Nuesslein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Nuesslein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For TomG:

It depends on the type of abuse. If it amounts to an assault, you can go to the district attorney, or other officials. Justin Volpe is serving a substantial sentence for sodomizing Abner Louima.

If you feel unjustly harassed, you can demonstrate as was done at Stonewall in New York City.

As long as a city settles easily, there will be Johnnie Cochrans to make a buck using extortionate tactics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For TomG:</p>
<p>It depends on the type of abuse. If it amounts to an assault, you can go to the district attorney, or other officials. Justin Volpe is serving a substantial sentence for sodomizing Abner Louima.</p>
<p>If you feel unjustly harassed, you can demonstrate as was done at Stonewall in New York City.</p>
<p>As long as a city settles easily, there will be Johnnie Cochrans to make a buck using extortionate tactics.</p>
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		By: TomG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TomG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 00:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AMcA - you completely missed my point.  I am drawing a distinction between public entities and private companies. That doesn&#039;t have much to do with the money involved, it has to do with holding public servants - both police and city officials - accountable for their decisions and actions. They don&#039;t earn their salaries by providing a competitive service that you can choose not to use.  When they abuse their power, what do you suggest as a remedy ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMcA &#8211; you completely missed my point.  I am drawing a distinction between public entities and private companies. That doesn&#8217;t have much to do with the money involved, it has to do with holding public servants &#8211; both police and city officials &#8211; accountable for their decisions and actions. They don&#8217;t earn their salaries by providing a competitive service that you can choose not to use.  When they abuse their power, what do you suggest as a remedy ?</p>
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		By: AMcA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AMcA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 21:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You all say - &quot;fools, some of these cases are going to cost more!&quot;

But you&#039;re not looking at the long term benefit.  What would you all say if new cases filed fell by, say, 50%+?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all say &#8211; &#8220;fools, some of these cases are going to cost more!&#8221;</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re not looking at the long term benefit.  What would you all say if new cases filed fell by, say, 50%+?</p>
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		By: Anonymous Attorney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Attorney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BGS:

I seriously doubt that &quot;City attorneys don&#039;t care&quot;:  in fact, they fight a heroic battle in a setting where pretty much everything is working against them:  a powerful (and politcally connected) plaintiff&#039;s bar, a crushing number of ridiculous lawsuits, judges who are often unsympathetic to the City, and juries that treat tax dollars like Monopoly money.  Meanwhile, they&#039;re paid a very modest salary compared to the &quot;Biglaw&quot; crowd.

In New York City, you could (and maybe still can) sue for SLIPPING ON THE SNOW.   Are those the &quot;meritorious&quot; cases you&#039;re talking about?  I once defended a case where a Rikers inmate slipped on water in the shower.  Think for a second about why that case might not be so &quot;meritorious.&quot;

It&#039;s also ridiculous to suggest that it&#039;s the City driving up litigation costs:  plaintiffs are the ones who demand the depositions of every agency employee and boxes of documents -- in a personal injury case, the only discovery the City really gets is the plaintiff&#039;s deposition and medical records.  

Nobody who claims that &quot;it brings a smile to my face&quot; to see the City socked for 1 million in a case worth 50K is operating on principles of fairness, justice or good faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BGS:</p>
<p>I seriously doubt that &#8220;City attorneys don&#8217;t care&#8221;:  in fact, they fight a heroic battle in a setting where pretty much everything is working against them:  a powerful (and politcally connected) plaintiff&#8217;s bar, a crushing number of ridiculous lawsuits, judges who are often unsympathetic to the City, and juries that treat tax dollars like Monopoly money.  Meanwhile, they&#8217;re paid a very modest salary compared to the &#8220;Biglaw&#8221; crowd.</p>
<p>In New York City, you could (and maybe still can) sue for SLIPPING ON THE SNOW.   Are those the &#8220;meritorious&#8221; cases you&#8217;re talking about?  I once defended a case where a Rikers inmate slipped on water in the shower.  Think for a second about why that case might not be so &#8220;meritorious.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also ridiculous to suggest that it&#8217;s the City driving up litigation costs:  plaintiffs are the ones who demand the depositions of every agency employee and boxes of documents &#8212; in a personal injury case, the only discovery the City really gets is the plaintiff&#8217;s deposition and medical records.  </p>
<p>Nobody who claims that &#8220;it brings a smile to my face&#8221; to see the City socked for 1 million in a case worth 50K is operating on principles of fairness, justice or good faith.</p>
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		By: BGS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BGS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 13:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New York City seems to have a similar policy where they refuse to settle meritorious cases, and instead tries to discourage &quot;small&quot; cases by making the expense of litigating them greater than any economically viable recovery.

It therefore brings a smile to my face when the City gets burned when a case that had a $50K settlement value  goes for $1.1 million by a runaway jury.  http://statecases.justia.com/new-york/appellate-division-second-department/2008/april/2006-06625/2008-03574-htm-brown-v-city-of-new-york/

Does this change City policy? Of course not.   The City attorneys don&#039;t care if they win, lose or draw; it is not their money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New York City seems to have a similar policy where they refuse to settle meritorious cases, and instead tries to discourage &#8220;small&#8221; cases by making the expense of litigating them greater than any economically viable recovery.</p>
<p>It therefore brings a smile to my face when the City gets burned when a case that had a $50K settlement value  goes for $1.1 million by a runaway jury.  <a href="http://statecases.justia.com/new-york/appellate-division-second-department/2008/april/2006-06625/2008-03574-htm-brown-v-city-of-new-york/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://statecases.justia.com/new-york/appellate-division-second-department/2008/april/2006-06625/2008-03574-htm-brown-v-city-of-new-york/</a></p>
<p>Does this change City policy? Of course not.   The City attorneys don&#8217;t care if they win, lose or draw; it is not their money.</p>
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		By: TomG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TomG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walter, I wish you had found a private company to cite that followed this practice. I&#039;m looking at this from a libertarian perspective and as I mentioned to Coyote, this is awful. The city&#039;s source of income is not products or services, but taxation. And encouraging its police to fight every lawsuit is a detriment to efforts to reign in abuses of police power !
Looking at strictly the money &quot;saved&quot; by the city is a short term focus only. I wonder what the city will decide to spend that money on....without consulting those who paid the taxes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, I wish you had found a private company to cite that followed this practice. I&#8217;m looking at this from a libertarian perspective and as I mentioned to Coyote, this is awful. The city&#8217;s source of income is not products or services, but taxation. And encouraging its police to fight every lawsuit is a detriment to efforts to reign in abuses of police power !<br />
Looking at strictly the money &#8220;saved&#8221; by the city is a short term focus only. I wonder what the city will decide to spend that money on&#8230;.without consulting those who paid the taxes.</p>
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		By: kat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the news story, the city negotiated a set rate of $35,000 with a $15,000 bonus for winning.  I don&#039;t know about Chicago, but most cases where I am end up costing significantly more to take through trial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the news story, the city negotiated a set rate of $35,000 with a $15,000 bonus for winning.  I don&#8217;t know about Chicago, but most cases where I am end up costing significantly more to take through trial.</p>
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		By: Marc Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish more clients would realize this. Settling repeatedly just makes you a &quot;mark&quot;. Fight back and see what happens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish more clients would realize this. Settling repeatedly just makes you a &#8220;mark&#8221;. Fight back and see what happens.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a significant opportunity for patronage, also (selecting the private firms who will litigate on the city&#039;s behalf). Looks like a &quot;win-win&quot; from the viewpoint of the city administration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a significant opportunity for patronage, also (selecting the private firms who will litigate on the city&#8217;s behalf). Looks like a &#8220;win-win&#8221; from the viewpoint of the city administration.</p>
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